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I worked at Google for -10 days

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Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by jupp0r »

glitchc wrote: post #148
TideAd wrote: post #54

Remember in the hot 2021 hiring market when Coinbase revoked offers because of a layoff? I remember deciding they were on my blacklist after that. I thought their leadership and recruiting were too disorganized to trust with my career. Of course you can lose your job at any time, but letting a candidate quit their old job and relocate and then get laid off is not something that should ever happen. And now it's layoff…

Form a guild. Other professionals have organizations to protect them, engineers should too. This is the way.

What existing organization would have prevented what happened to OP?

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by mcast »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #204
xienze wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In previous jobs I’ve always given notice after receiving an offer. In hindsight, I realize that was pretty dumb, but it was a different time, long ago. Going forward I will absolutely wait until my first day on the new job to give notice to the old one. It’s not fair to either employer, but getting an offer pulled after quitting an existing job scares the hell out of me.

> Going forward I will absolutely wait until my first day on the new job to give notice to the old one. So... you'll give -1 days notice? "Hey old boss, you may have noticed I didn't come in today..."

I think OP meant they’ll be moonlighting 2 jobs for 2 weeks.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by ghaff »

zie wrote: post #162
zinclozenge wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will one up you, I don't put in notice until I'm 1-2 weeks into my new job. Don't really have any justification except for paranoia, which is only getting more validated from other anecdotes in this thread.

So you take vacation from the previous job I assume?

But then you're not really giving notice. Presumably the purpose of giving notice is to give the company a couple weeks of grace period to transition your work to someone else while you're still around. (It depends on the situation of course. No one may care if you come back from a vacation and quit.)

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by [deleted] »

HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #159
Dave3of5 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you suggesting asking Google to add this to their contract ? If that's the case then you are delusional. These companies are "the law" and they will not change their contract for you. It's hard enough to even get a verbal offer from a company like Google far less get them to add relocation costs to a contract.

You'd be surprised by what you can get by simply asking for it.

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Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by Arch-TK »

chippiewill wrote: post #225
jrochkind1 wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like OP had a signed employment contract. > Thus, the contract with me has been terminated 10 days before it was supposed to take effect. Apparently a contract that allowed no-cause termination. I'm not sure what that contract is good for exactly, but I think this is common in the USA. Whether it's legal in the UK I couldn't say.

In the UK you don't get the typical employment rights until after 2 years of employment. Most employment contracts have you on zero-notice until 6 month probation is completed.

> Most employment contracts have you on zero-notice until 6 month probation is completed.

No?

I've never been on zero months notice. A reduced notice period for probation yes, but never on no notice.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by dopidopHN »

occamrazor wrote: post #230
AlwaysRock wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then you give -10 days notice. 2 weeks is a nicety and not legally required in the USA. Probably not required in many other places as well. It's unfortunate but I've never had a manager get too upset about it.

In many places the notice period is enforceable, with a standard period of three to six months for senior positions.

Yeah that my experience outside of the US. And it’s kinda nice. Less rushed.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by technothrasher »

H8crilA wrote: post #210
digitalgangsta wrote: post #47

Seems Google treats its employees like they treat their customers. My experience with Google as a customer is just as frustrating (have had corporate accounts locked out with no avenue for recourse except sending emails over weeks, to simply be denied again because their bots think I'm doing something strange, and products my company was relying on and using simply stop being supported one day). I stopped using or su…

It's all correct, though they do pay good money. Otherwise it's just a large, messy organisation where blame deflection is everyone's basic survival strategy. This is for example why he got such cryptic messages all the way through, nobody wanted to tell him that things are actually shit and unlikely to result in an employment before their boss' boss' boss announces that this is the case.

> though they do pay good money.

When my wife was looking for a VP level position at a tech company last year, Google's interview process was by far the most cumbersome and their offer was the lowest she got by a sizeable amount. When she mentioned this to them, they said she could begin the process all over again to see if she could maybe get more. She thanked them for their time and then accepted one of the reasonable offers she got.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by dheera »

klipklop wrote: post #183
dheera wrote: post #126

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> there was little economical need for Google to have any layoffs The trouble is, public companies like Google aren't owned by their execs anymore. They've lost control to a bunch of idiots on Wall Street. They optimize for stock price, not employee satisfaction, not customer satisfaction.

Larry/Sergey is firmly in control of Google. Even if you buy up all the available GOOGL shares you will be outvoted by them. The company is not owned by Wall Street. Employees and most investors have GOOG stock that has no voting rights.

Sergey? He's busy partying all the time. He shows up at every other party I've been to in the bay and is constantly surrounded by women.

Larry -- his personal wealth is still determined by shareholders, not employees or customers.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by dopidopHN »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #198
fuddle wrote: post #188

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Agreed, not until I have a signed employment contract.

It sounds like OP had a signed employment contract. > Thus, the contract with me has been terminated 10 days before it was supposed to take effect. Apparently a contract that allowed no-cause termination. I'm not sure what that contract is good for exactly, but I think this is common in the USA. Whether it's legal in the UK I couldn't say.

All the contract I signed in the US ( 5 or 6 ) were « at will » Basically a 1 pager stating the total lack of contract between you and the company. And your salary.
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