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I worked at Google for -10 days

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Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by ghaff »

haspok wrote: post #194
300bps wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve had a career lasting over three decades and counting. Have never gone a day without a job in that time. Part of the reason is because I followed your exact advice. To which I would also add - don’t have a big gap between your last day at your current job and your first day at your next. Simply walking in the door on your first day increases the amount of paperwork they have to file to get rid of you.

Why do you belittle yourself so much? Maybe there is more paperwork if they let you go on the first day (but for the HR people it is just doing their job - to do that paperwork!), but I don't think so. It is also very common to have a short (1 week max) notice for the probation period, so they will let you go if there are any issues. The reason why you had a job was most probably not the amount of paperwork they woul…

>Some people even do it on purpose.

Yeah, when I took my current job I was more in the vein of "How much time off can I take that you won't mind?" We settled on something like 3 or 4 weeks and I booked a vacation.

Sure, stuff can happen. But I try not to be paranoid about what are low probability events at the end of the day that I only have limited control over.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by joshmanders »

cortesoft wrote: post #172
no-2-wk-notice wrote: post #23

This is why I suggest not giving two weeks notice when leaving a job for another. Instead send a resignation email the morning you start at the new company. This seems fair and reasonable given that companies are willing to pull offers.

Every single job I have had since my first have been working with people I worked with before. If you burn all your bridges every time you change jobs, you are going to have a bad time.

I've been in this industry for 25 years, never once have I ever felt the need to go back to a previous job. Can we please stop parroting this notion that we have to bend the knee to companies who would drop us without questioning?

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by AlwaysRock »

jmye wrote: post #80
tyingq wrote: post #17

I've heard several stories about companies rescinding offers in a timeframe where it's obvious the candidate would have already made irreversible decisions. Funny thing is that the same HR people will tell their own stories about candidates backing out with huge eyerolls, distain, etc. I suppose the more common it becomes, the less the "offer" process will mean in practice. Candidates will hedge their bets. Edit: If…

> I suppose the more common it becomes, the less the "offer" process will mean in practice. Candidates will hedge their bets. My partner was shocked I was still interviewing after accepting an offer - this kind of story is generally why. Sucks for the hiring managers, I guess, but I care more about my mortgage/income/whatever than their time.

It really sucks that some companies get it and some take it super personally.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by ska »

zippergz wrote: post #82
cleansy wrote: post #8

Time to learn about a relocation clause in the general employee agreement: Clause [X]: Relocation Expenses and Redundancy Protection The Company agrees to reimburse the Employee for reasonable and necessary relocation expenses incurred by the Employee in connection with the Employee's relocation to the work location specified in this Agreement, subject to the terms and conditions set forth herein ("Relocation Expense…

Please get back to me once you've gotten a multinational corporation to agree to this (or any other candidate-provided clause) for a non-executive employee.

I've seen similar clauses in a bunch of contracts, it can't be that rare. You are unlikely to be able to add your own language (as per your case of non-exec) but you may not have to.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by chippiewill »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #198
fuddle wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, not until I have a signed employment contract.

It sounds like OP had a signed employment contract. > Thus, the contract with me has been terminated 10 days before it was supposed to take effect. Apparently a contract that allowed no-cause termination. I'm not sure what that contract is good for exactly, but I think this is common in the USA. Whether it's legal in the UK I couldn't say.

In the UK you don't get the typical employment rights until after 2 years of employment. Most employment contracts have you on zero-notice until 6 month probation is completed.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by Panini_Jones »

joezydeco wrote: post #4

...asking to connect with me regarding “an update on my Google offer”. I chose to connect the following day. It's nice to know that Google is consistent in the use of the phrase "An update on...". If you see this, it's dead.

I had a company use this as a scare tactic, I think.

They emailed me with an "update on my offer" only to make me wait an entire day for them to say that a lot of other people were accepting their offers and that I should hurry up. I thought it was rescinded for an entire day.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by xienze »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #204
xienze wrote: post #185

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In previous jobs I’ve always given notice after receiving an offer. In hindsight, I realize that was pretty dumb, but it was a different time, long ago. Going forward I will absolutely wait until my first day on the new job to give notice to the old one. It’s not fair to either employer, but getting an offer pulled after quitting an existing job scares the hell out of me.

> Going forward I will absolutely wait until my first day on the new job to give notice to the old one. So... you'll give -1 days notice? "Hey old boss, you may have noticed I didn't come in today..."

I work remote, and will continue to do so. Not impossible to manage that situation. Just let the old job know that you're giving your two weeks for brain dump.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by xooglechoogle »

petercooper wrote: post #140
xooglechoogle wrote: post #56

Entities with massive wealth, such as Google, should always use money to soften the blow of their mistakes. Giving this person a small chunk of cash would make me respect Google so much more than just screwing this person's life up and saying "Whoops, you're fired, lol!" But it's been a long time since Google was a cool company.

I agree, but as 'Bill Gates' said on The Simpsons: "I didn't get rich by writing a lot of checks."

Easily justified as good marketing. This #1 post on HN will Google (in various ways) much more than the cash they could have used to look like good guys, even if it wasn't done out of goodness.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by bink »

zinclozenge wrote: post #139
jmye wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I suppose the more common it becomes, the less the "offer" process will mean in practice. Candidates will hedge their bets. My partner was shocked I was still interviewing after accepting an offer - this kind of story is generally why. Sucks for the hiring managers, I guess, but I care more about my mortgage/income/whatever than their time.

I will one up you, I don't put in notice until I'm 1-2 weeks into my new job. Don't really have any justification except for paranoia, which is only getting more validated from other anecdotes in this thread.

That seems just as risky as quitting the old job, if not moreso. One of the few things employers will confirm on a background check is employment status and period. If the new employer runs the check late and finds out you'll lose both jobs and burn two bridges.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by occamrazor »

AlwaysRock wrote: post #203
yebyen wrote: post #167

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How's that supposed to work, when the process dictates that onboarding begins on your start date? If only we could give -10 days notice.

Then you give -10 days notice. 2 weeks is a nicety and not legally required in the USA. Probably not required in many other places as well. It's unfortunate but I've never had a manager get too upset about it.

In many places the notice period is enforceable, with a standard period of three to six months for senior positions.
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