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Anthropic’s $5B, 4-year plan to take on OpenAI

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Post by cubefox »

dan-robertson wrote: post #279
cubefox wrote: post #130

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It is amazing that in the year 2023, where things are possible that were science fiction until recently, we still rely on private payment processors, credit card companies, which extract fees for a service that doesn't have any technical necessity anymore. I think the reason is just inertia. They work well enough in most cases, and the fees aren't so high as to be painful, so there is little pressure to switch to som…

I think companies accept credit card payments because that’s what their customers want and companies want to get paid.

Yes, the current system is a good-enough solution, and any better alternative has to be not just better but so much better that it is worth the large cost of switching to a different solution. Game theoretically, it's an "inadequate equilibrium".

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Post by neuronexmachina »

potamic wrote: post #58
dpflan wrote: post #44

"Dario Amodei, the former VP of research at OpenAI, launched Anthropic in 2021 as a public benefit corporation, taking with him a number of OpenAI employees, including OpenAI’s former policy lead Jack Clark. Amodei split from OpenAI after a disagreement over the company’s direction, namely the startup’s increasingly commercial focus." So Anthropic is the Google-supported equivalent of OpenAI? Isn't the founder going…

What does a policy lead do and how are they relevant to an early stage startup? I would be more interested in seeing which researchers and engineers join.

I assume it's basically this position: https://thriveml.com/jobs/product-policy-lead-e296c565

> As the Product Policy Lead, you will set the foundation for Anthropic’s approach to safe deployments. You will develop the policies that govern the use of our systems, oversee the technical approaches to identifying current and future risks, and build the organizational capacity to mitigate product safety risks at-scale. You will work collaboratively with our Product, Societal Impacts, Policy, Legal, and leadership teams to develop policies and processes that protect Anthropic and our partners.

> You’re a great fit for the role if you’ve served in leadership positions in the fields of Trust & Safety, product policy, or risk management at fast-growing technology companies, and you recognize that emerging technology such as generative AI systems will require creative approaches to mitigating complex threats.

> Please note that in this role you may encounter sensitive material and subject matter, including policy issues that may be offensive or upsetting.

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Post by vineyardmike »

anentropic wrote: post #288

If Apple would wake up to what's happening with llama.cpp etc then I don't see such a market in paying for remote access to big models via API, though it's currently the only game in town. Currently a Macbook has a Neural Engine that is sitting idle 99% of the time and only suitable for running limited models (poorly documented, opaque rules about what ops can be accelerated, a black box compiler [1] and an apparent…

Apple’s move to make stable diffusion run well on the iPhone makes me think they’re watching this space, just waiting for the right open model for them to commit to.

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Post by qumpis »

anentropic wrote: post #288

If Apple would wake up to what's happening with llama.cpp etc then I don't see such a market in paying for remote access to big models via API, though it's currently the only game in town. Currently a Macbook has a Neural Engine that is sitting idle 99% of the time and only suitable for running limited models (poorly documented, opaque rules about what ops can be accelerated, a black box compiler [1] and an apparent…

I wonder how good the neural engine with the unified memory is compared to say intel cpu with 32gb ram. Could anyone give some insight?

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Post by JohnFen »

menzoic wrote: post #237
rebolek wrote: post #84

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There may have been a disagreement, but now they're focused on profit, as everybody else. From the same article: “Anthropic has been heavily focused on research for the first year and a half of its existence, but we have been convinced of the necessity of commercialization, which we fully committed to in September [2022],” the pitch deck reads. “We’ve developed a strategy for go-to-market and initial product speciali…

Its not about making money, its about opening up the tech to the public (including source, weights...etc)

It sure looks like it's about the money to me.

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Post by siftrics »

moneywoes wrote: post #260
siftrics wrote: post #204

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GPT4 has built and deployed an entire SaaS for me in a week. I already have users. The edits required were minimal --- maybe one screw-up for every 100 lines of code --- and I learned a lot of better ways to do things.

Very interested was it CRUD? Are you building in public

Yes, essentially a CRUD wrapper for a specific domain of tech.

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Post by neuronexmachina »

alexb_ wrote: post #35

If someone released a chatGPT/characterAI with NSFW content enabled it would eat into a big share of their users (and for characterAI, maybe take all of them). Seriously, look into what people are posting about when it comes to characterAI, and it's 80% "here's how to get around NSFW filters". Unsure why nobody is taking this very very obvious hole in AI tech.

I don't see how a competent legal team would ever sign-off on that.

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Post by dpkirchner »

speed_spread wrote: post #297
dpkirchner wrote: post #93

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I think it's equally likely that they just don't want their product to be known as "the porn bot".

Why not? As long as it's not official. Bing was/is known as "the porn search engine" which never seemed to bother Microsoft.

I think the difference is that OpenAI wants to sell their text generation services to big companies that will show AI content directly on their platforms (think chat support bots), whereas Bing is selling eyeballs to advertisers (who also don't want their ads shown alongside porn by the by).

If OpenAI has the reputation of serving up porn to whoever asks, there's no way the Walmarts of the world will sign up.

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Post by cubefox »

xpe wrote: post #266
cubefox wrote: post #187

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I would be very surprised if something based on Blockchain or similar software doesn't offer a solution here. Another route would be to establish a protocol for near instantaneous bank transfers, and try to get a lot of banks on board. The immediacy of transfers seems to be the main reason why companies use credit card services, not buyer protection or actual credit.

> The immediacy of transfers seems to be the main reason why companies use credit card services, not buyer protection or actual credit. I think the above is quite wrong (with moderate confidence). Is the above claim consistent with survey data? It is my understanding that: 1. companies care a lot about risk reduction. This includes protection from chargebacks. 2. companies benefit when customers have credit: it enabl…

Well, chargebacks are not possible for ordinary bank transfers. The problem is that the they are too slow and not convenient enough. This is a software / standardization issue. Credit: PayPal is successful despite it only offering very short credits in order to ensure quick transfers. And in physical shops credit cards often seem to be no more than a convenient way to pay without cash. In Germany you can actually pay in all shops and restaurants with a form of debit card, which is just as convenient as paying with credit cards, but has less fees for the shop, since there is no credit card company in the middle. As a result most people don't own a credit card. This doesn't work so well online though.

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Post by siftrics »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #283
siftrics wrote: post #204

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GPT4 has built and deployed an entire SaaS for me in a week. I already have users. The edits required were minimal --- maybe one screw-up for every 100 lines of code --- and I learned a lot of better ways to do things.

Currently using GPT-4 to do a lot of heavy lifting for me for new app. Would love to see your approach!

I wrote it using a framework whose most recent release is substantially different than what GPT-4 was trained on.

I quickly learned to just paste the docs and examples from the new framework to GPT, telling it "this is how the API looks now" and it just worked.

It helped me do everything. From writing the code, to setting up SSL on nginx, to generating my DB schema, to getting my DB schema into the prod db (I don't use migration tooling).

Most of my time was spent telling GPT "sorry, that API is out of date --- use it like this, instead". Very rarely did GPT actually produce incorrect code or code that does the wrong thing.

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