How to slowly destroy a company's reputation one silly decision at a time.
I worked at Google for -10 days
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Re: I worked at Google for -10 days
#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a general clause that any employee who is moving for a certain job should put into their contracts. If the company does not agree to cover at least the basics, then hey, maybe it's not a good idea to move for that job in the first place? EDIT: to your point, this should be enforceable in any jurisdiction that generally holds up with the law?
literally no big tech employer is going to allow you to add clauses to your employment contract
Then it can just as well be called ToS, instead.
Re: I worked at Google for -10 days
#143This is why I suggest not giving two weeks notice when leaving a job for another. Instead send a resignation email the morning you start at the new company. This seems fair and reasonable given that companies are willing to pull offers.
I'm not sure which part of the world you are in, but for example in Europe it is common to have 1 month as a minimum notice period, and not uncommon to have 3 or even 6 months (this latter usually if you stay at a company for a long time).
It is also common in certain countries to either get a "reference" letter from previous employers or provide a reference about a person in email or on the phone - going back to 3 or 5 years.
And finally, we are talking about moving countries, if not continents. Maybe if you are 18 you can stop working on a Friday in country A, travel with a suitcase over the weekend and start working on Monday in country B, but as you get older, the number of people and stuff attached to you just grows... and this becomes a rather more difficult and time consuming process.
Re: I worked at Google for -10 days
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#145Advice about what to do after you've already done something else isn't very useful, but when my wife and I moved internationally for her new job, we made sure to have it be a slow process. First she went, rented a short term apartment, while I moved all of our belongings into a storage facility, then once she felt good about the position she found us a nicer more permanent home, then I sold our home in the US, the ca…
This is far more sensible advice than all the "there ought to be a law" (in which jurisdiction?) comments on this thread and probably also more realistic than trying to figure out how to protect yourself 100% against any eventuality.
Even without moving internationally, managers change, executives decide to cancel projects or cut back headcount, etc. Sure, that can happen a year down the road too. But if something is going to be a big move, it makes sense to find ways to at least reduce the harm if it turns out there really wasn't a meeting of the minds or circumstances changed.
Re: I worked at Google for -10 days
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
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That's a very stupid and short-sighted attitude. Russia has effectively been a dictatorship for the past couple of decades, so most regular people have zero control over the policy. Most pretend to just not notice things and hope their lives won't be affected, some tried protesting and ended up jailed, a few prominent idea-driven people got assassinated. So yeah, sure, let's blanket-ban everyone with a Russian passpo…
> Sanctioning specific companies and specific individuals makes sense. Blanket bans is just venting your own steam in a counterproductive way.
Google has to respond to who the government sanctions. Russia has been sanctioned and it rightfully makes Google wary of doing business with them.
If you think sanctions are counterproductive, you can vote for the GOP, because people like Matt Gaetz are fighting to end the involvement of the US with the war but until that happens it's understandable that companies aligned with allied countries would become averse to hiring Russian nationals
Re: I worked at Google for -10 days
#147Worked at a startup, hired a guy - we got bought his first week, they closed our office. So on one check he got his hiring bonus, relocation expenses, first paycheck and severance.
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#148Remember in the hot 2021 hiring market when Coinbase revoked offers because of a layoff? I remember deciding they were on my blacklist after that. I thought their leadership and recruiting were too disorganized to trust with my career. Of course you can lose your job at any time, but letting a candidate quit their old job and relocate and then get laid off is not something that should ever happen. And now it's layoff…
Form a guild. Other professionals have organizations to protect them, engineers should too. This is the way.
Re: I worked at Google for -10 days
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a general clause that any employee who is moving for a certain job should put into their contracts. If the company does not agree to cover at least the basics, then hey, maybe it's not a good idea to move for that job in the first place? EDIT: to your point, this should be enforceable in any jurisdiction that generally holds up with the law?
literally no big tech employer is going to allow you to add clauses to your employment contract
Then you tech employee are not big enough. Of course they can do this. Goes to HR, Hiring Manager, HM approves sends back to HR, HR sends to legal, HM pings because legal is slow, bam it's done. Everything can be done between humans.
Re: I worked at Google for -10 days
#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
literally no big tech employer is going to allow you to add clauses to your employment contract
Literally they will if tech workers unionize, which has its own baggage and list of disadvantages for everyone but if tech companies get in a bad habit of treating employees poorly that’s exactly what will happen.
Perhaps so. But until that happens, I can't stick it in an employment contract.