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I worked at Google for -10 days

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Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by ajdlinux »

no-2-wk-notice wrote: post #35
Aardwolf wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know how you could practically do that since there's usually a notice period to leave the previous company, and the contract may exclude working for two employers at the same time

Just don't give notice until the day you start at the new company.

In places that aren't America, it's often a legal requirement (whether by statute or by customary contractual clauses) to give a minimum notice period, and employees who resign without notice can be penalised an amount of money that may be non-trivial for many workers.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by stdbrouw »

sashank_1509 wrote: post #7

There’s no great solution to this apart from the economy and company doing well so that this doesnt happen. I’ll lay out the reasons below: 1. Let’s say we pass a law that prevents offers from being revoked. This will make hiring much harder and increase 5 rounds to like 10 and involve many more committees and even then most candidates other than sureshots getting rejected. 2. Ban revoking offers only for overseas em…

> Let’s say we pass a law that prevents offers from being revoked. This will make hiring much harder and increase 5 rounds to like 10 and involve many more committees and even then most candidates other than sureshots getting rejected.

I don't see what one has to do with the other. You only extend an offer after you've vetted the candidate, and afterwards there is no more screening, so sudden revocation doesn't have anything to do with candidate quality and everything to do with economic conditions. One might imagine that strict laws against early termination of a contract would lead to less hiring when the company fears that they might be affected by a downturn... but that would then pretty much be the intended purpose, to think twice before you can afford someone before hiring them?

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by incone123 »

vladharbuz wrote: post #45
glitchc wrote: post #2

Is your visa still valid? If so, move to London anyways. You've already quit your job and sold your stuff. Chances are if you qualified for Google, you'll find work there. In for a penny, in for a pound, as the Brits say.

A sponsored Skilled Worker Visa becomes invalid 60 days after employment ends.

In this case the employment never even started. The 60 days is for people already in the country to either move out or find another visa sponsor.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by TideAd »

Remember in the hot 2021 hiring market when Coinbase revoked offers because of a layoff? I remember deciding they were on my blacklist after that. I thought their leadership and recruiting were too disorganized to trust with my career.

Of course you can lose your job at any time, but letting a candidate quit their old job and relocate and then get laid off is not something that should ever happen.

And now it's layoff season, and every big company has recently done this to huge numbers of people.

So as a labor force, what do we do about this? How to we protect ourselves now that the deal between employers and employees has broken down even further?

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by throwaway743 »

namdnay wrote: post #31
darknavi wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's definitely possible to thrive here but moving somewhere with a _much_ higher cost of living without having a job is a bold move.

for a software engineer, i think the risk is close to 0 :)

That's a big assumption to make.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by xooglechoogle »

Entities with massive wealth, such as Google, should always use money to soften the blow of their mistakes.

Giving this person a small chunk of cash would make me respect Google so much more than just screwing this person's life up and saying "Whoops, you're fired, lol!"

But it's been a long time since Google was a cool company.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by cowl »

sashank_1509 wrote: post #7

There’s no great solution to this apart from the economy and company doing well so that this doesnt happen. I’ll lay out the reasons below: 1. Let’s say we pass a law that prevents offers from being revoked. This will make hiring much harder and increase 5 rounds to like 10 and involve many more committees and even then most candidates other than sureshots getting rejected. 2. Ban revoking offers only for overseas em…

Or companies will simply use the trial period to terminate. Painful as it is it's much better to get a revocation of offer than for the company to go through the motions just to arrive at the "clear" moment of trial period and terminate you position after 1 month.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by cleansy »

ghaff wrote: post #32
cleansy wrote: post #8

Time to learn about a relocation clause in the general employee agreement: Clause [X]: Relocation Expenses and Redundancy Protection The Company agrees to reimburse the Employee for reasonable and necessary relocation expenses incurred by the Employee in connection with the Employee's relocation to the work location specified in this Agreement, subject to the terms and conditions set forth herein ("Relocation Expense…

It sounds like he may not have actually incurred any non-reimbursable expenses though other than maybe canceling an airline ticket. He's obviously incurred lots of disruption with associated costs (quitting job, getting rid of most of his stuff) but these aren't the sort of things that qualify for relocation expenses.

This is not a fully-complete clause, yes, getting rid of stuff hurts and might not be coverable, but at least in this Case Google would have guaranteed to pay for the relocation. Other clauses could be that in the event of a redundancy before employment start, the signing bonus stays with the employee, etc. In his case, it still covers the financial blow to a degree, and he would have probably enough time to find a replacement job. Relocation costs are also money spent on Realtors, etc.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by andgein »

glitchc wrote: post #2

Is your visa still valid? If so, move to London anyways. You've already quit your job and sold your stuff. Chances are if you qualified for Google, you'll find work there. In for a penny, in for a pound, as the Brits say.

Hi! I'm not sure if my visa is valid, and all "immigration consultants" can not answer me directly. My short-term entry visa is attached to my Certificate of Sponsorship, which has been revoked together with the contract. Be default I assume that my visa is revoked too, because I don't want to take that chance.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by xooglechoogle »

duxup wrote: post #40
dooglius wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's wrong with a termination fee, as already exists in many contracts?

Even that would just be another debate about how much the fee “should” be.

I doubt it. I expect most people could agree that it should be some small number of months of salary.
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