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Anthropic’s $5B, 4-year plan to take on OpenAI

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Post by dr_dshiv »

ethbr0 wrote: post #128
dr_dshiv wrote: post #114

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I mean, this is just the beginning. Just wait till we get actual scifi robots in the next year or so. FWIW, I do find that Claude (Anthropic's GPT) is often better than GPT4 -- and very fast. Entrants can compete on price, safety, quality, etc.

And a big moat is going to be safety... and specifically configuration of safety. Wouldn't be surprised at all if the major API-based vendors start leaning in on making their safety config proprietary. If a business has already sunk XXXX hours into ensuring a model meets their safety criteria for public-facing use, they'd rather upgrade to a newer model from the same vendor that guarantees portability of that, versus…

Excellent point.

Fine tuning is at a low point now, but i expect this to create a moat for the same reasons.

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Post by cubefox »

comboy wrote: post #156
alexb_ wrote: post #35

If someone released a chatGPT/characterAI with NSFW content enabled it would eat into a big share of their users (and for characterAI, maybe take all of them). Seriously, look into what people are posting about when it comes to characterAI, and it's 80% "here's how to get around NSFW filters". Unsure why nobody is taking this very very obvious hole in AI tech.

What's with the NSFW need? I'd understand if this is some image generator, but here? Is it some sexting, "romance", or is NSFW about something else altogether?

ChatGPT refuses to write erotic fan fiction.

Related: I still remember when I used GPT-3 (davinci in the OpenAI playground) for the first time a few years ago. The examples were absolutely mind blowing, and I wanted it to generate something which would surprise me. So I tried a prompt which went something like

> Mike peeked around the corner. He couldn't believe his eyes.

GPT-3 continued with something like

> In the dimly lit room, Vanessa sat on the bed. She wore nothing but a sheer nightgown. She looked at him and

Etc. I think I laughed out loud at the time, because I probably expected ghosts or aliens more than a steamy story, though of course in retrospect it makes total sense. I wanted it to produce something surprising, and it delivered.

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Post by visarga »

wokwokwok wrote: post #165
seydor wrote: post #73

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I can already run gpt4xalpaca on my PC, a model that is not-bad-at-all and is completely uncensored (i.e. does things that chatGPT can't do). I think it's true that LLMs are racing to the bottom and will be even more once they can fit as a peripheral to every computer. whoever is investing in this to monopolize has not thought it through

It’s astonishing to me that people seem to believe the llama models are “just as good” as the large models these companies are building, and most people are only using the 7B model, because that’s all their hardware can support. …I mean, “not-bad-at-all” depends on your context. For doing mean real work (ie. not porn or spam) these tiny models suck. Yup, even the refined ones with the “good training data”. They’re to…

You know what I believe is also a toy model? chatGPT Turbo, you can tell by the speed of generation. And it works quite well, so small size is not an impediment. I expect there will be an open model on the level of chatGPT by the end of the year because suddenly there are lots of interested parties and investors.

Eventually there will be a good enough model for most personal uses, our personal AI OS. When that happens there is a big chance advertising is going to be in a rough spot - personal agents can filter out anything from ads to spam and malware. Google better find another revenue source soon.

But OpenAI and other high-end LLM providers have a problem - the better these open source models become, the more market they cut underneath them. Everything open source models can do becomes "free". The best example is Dall-E vs Stable Diffusion. By the next year they will only be able to sell GPT4 and 5. AI will become a commodity soon, OpenAI won't be able to gate-keep for too long. Prices will hit rock bottom.

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Post by dr_dshiv »

dTal wrote: post #190
dr_dshiv wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, this is just the beginning. Just wait till we get actual scifi robots in the next year or so. FWIW, I do find that Claude (Anthropic's GPT) is often better than GPT4 -- and very fast. Entrants can compete on price, safety, quality, etc.

I find that Claude is more conversational (better fine tuning), but not as smart as even ChatGPT. Prompt: The original titles and release years in the Harry Potter series are: Philosopher's Stone (1997) Chamber of Secrets (1998) Prisoner of Azkaban (1999) Goblet of Fire (2000) Order of the Phoenix (2003) Half-Blood Prince (2005) Deathly Hallows (2007) Given this, generate a new Harry Potter title, using only the word…

The question for me is whether they understand complex concepts and can apply them in new areas.

So when I’m doing quantum computing work, I go back and forth between Claude and GPT4 and both complement the other very well.

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Post by randomdata »

pixl97 wrote: post #124
wongarsu wrote: post #97

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But is that because of rapid breakthroughs in tech, or in marketing? GPT 3 is nearly three years old at this point, and was pretty capable at generating text. GPT 3.5 brought substantial improvements, but is also over a year old. ChatGPT is much newer, but mostly remarkable for the better interface, the extensive "safety" efforts, and for being free (as in beer) and immediately accessible without waitlist and applica…

I'd like you to look at what you just typed in reference to a product like the iPhone that turned Apple into a trillion dollar company. There were smartphones before the iPhone, but the iPhone redefined the market and all phones after that point use it as the reference.

People who made money with their phone had fully adopted Blackberry devices long before the iPhone came around. It may not have been as fun or slick, but when $80/hr. was on the line you weren't exactly going to wait around until something better showed up like the average consumer could.

The parent is right. The success of ChatGPT in business is that it brought awareness of the capabilities of GPT that OpenAI struggled to communicate beforehand. It was a breakthrough in marketing, less so a breakthrough in tech.

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Post by xp84 »

sharemywin wrote: post #94
gear54rus wrote: post #63

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This comment right here can be shown to snobs who still denounce crypto btw

crypto + NSFW generative AI = ???? that's not going to lead to a whole lot of black market images.

It certainly stretches the bounds of reason for me that you could put a person in an isolation chamber with a powerful computer with no network connection, and after they type a few words into it, if the output of the computer has certain qualities, they are now a felon and the output is illegal to possess.

But this seems like the world the “AI-regulators” seem to want.

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Post by Yizahi »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #143
Yizahi wrote: post #91

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Neural Networks are basically a Chinese room and it is not AGI. And there is nothing "humane" in these developments. Yes, they are inevitable, yes we would have to live with them. And maybe they will improve lives of a few millions of humans, while degrading lives of billions of others. Long term effects are particularly interesting and unpredictable.

We have no idea how human consciousness works.

Of course. That's why the onus of proving that GTP-* is something more than a Chinese Room is on it's creators. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and all that. The problem is that to do that, human would require a new test, and to construct a test for consciousness requires us to understand how it works. Turing test is not enough as we see now.

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Post by nickpp »

robertlagrant wrote: post #194
nickpp wrote: post #185

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> Plenty of greedy people in non-capitalist systems. Totally agreed. But I am not placing any moral value on either greed or capitalism. I would think, however, that capitalists would not ignore such an obvious profit center as the sex industry. Thus my bafflement.

> I would think, however, that capitalists would not ignore such an obvious profit center as the sex industry Because you're conflating capitalism and greed. Capitalism doesn't mean "do anything for money". It means "as much as possible, people get to decide among themselves how to allocate their money and time". Some of them will invest in anything, just as people in non-capitalist countries. Most will only invest i…

But look at how investment in weed, which was once considered "drugs == bad", flourished after legalization, with ETFs and such. Lots of sex work, including porn, is legal afaik. However banks and other civilian gate holders (Apple AppStore, etc) keep stifling investment in it.

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Post by programmer_dude »

andsoitis wrote: post #150
cubefox wrote: post #130

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It is amazing that in the year 2023, where things are possible that were science fiction until recently, we still rely on private payment processors, credit card companies, which extract fees for a service that doesn't have any technical necessity anymore. I think the reason is just inertia. They work well enough in most cases, and the fees aren't so high as to be painful, so there is little pressure to switch to som…

> switch to something more modern such as?

Unified payments interface: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Payments_Interface

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Post by ninkendo »

mc32 wrote: post #85
ninkendo wrote: post #72

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> can probably yield enough profit from spillover hype for investors to make their investments back. The correct term for this is “pyramid scheme”.

No, this is more "everyone is selling X, let's get in the business of X". On the other hand, yes, some will miss the boat and lose money.

I interpreted “spillover hype” as meaning “more investors coming in in future rounds” (ie pyramid scheme), but it’s possible that’s not what the commenter intended.

But if early investors only profit due to late investors pouring money in, that’s by definition a pyramid scheme.

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