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Anthropic’s $5B, 4-year plan to take on OpenAI

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Re: Anthropic’s $5B, 4-year plan to take on OpenAI

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AI models are in a race to the bottom and everybody inside Anthropic knows it. Besides OpenAI, with billions to spend plus a partnership with MS, there's also Google, Apple, Meta and Amazon who can afford to run losses on AI for years without blinking an eye. And if that wasn't enough the Open Source world is releasing new models almost weekly now, for free. Anthropic is putting on a big show to convince gullible inv…

The counter argument is that it's a growing market where any early entrants will be lifted with the tide and can probably yield enough profit from spillover hype for investors to make their investments back.

Plus first-mover advantage has consistently shown to not be a legitimate strategy as there are a ton of cases where the first winner gets taken over by a new entrant once the market matures (Friendster being the classic example). Often the later companies learn from the mistakes of the first play.

R&D heavy markets might have some different characteristics but it's still way too early to say with AI.

Re: Anthropic’s $5B, 4-year plan to take on OpenAI

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AI models are in a race to the bottom and everybody inside Anthropic knows it. Besides OpenAI, with billions to spend plus a partnership with MS, there's also Google, Apple, Meta and Amazon who can afford to run losses on AI for years without blinking an eye. And if that wasn't enough the Open Source world is releasing new models almost weekly now, for free. Anthropic is putting on a big show to convince gullible inv…

The fact is nobody can risk not owning a piece of the foundational models. There is waaaay too much upside risk that they will tots dominate the market.

I mean, maybe they won't like you say, but what if they do? Then you're probably screwed. Better to gamble a few billion, imho.

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Why not? If we want to build AGI, that’s a good name to choose.

Neural Networks are basically a Chinese room and it is not AGI. And there is nothing "humane" in these developments. Yes, they are inevitable, yes we would have to live with them. And maybe they will improve lives of a few millions of humans, while degrading lives of billions of others. Long term effects are particularly interesting and unpredictable.

We have no idea how human consciousness works.

Re: Anthropic’s $5B, 4-year plan to take on OpenAI

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AI models are in a race to the bottom and everybody inside Anthropic knows it. Besides OpenAI, with billions to spend plus a partnership with MS, there's also Google, Apple, Meta and Amazon who can afford to run losses on AI for years without blinking an eye. And if that wasn't enough the Open Source world is releasing new models almost weekly now, for free. Anthropic is putting on a big show to convince gullible inv…

> convince gullible investors that there's money to be made with foundational models. There's not.

This is a ridiculously myopic statement. Foundation models are an extremely powerful technological advancement and they will shake the global economy as very few things did in human history. It's hard to imagine how this is not obvious to everyone right now, specially here in this forum.

Re: Anthropic’s $5B, 4-year plan to take on OpenAI

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AI models are in a race to the bottom and everybody inside Anthropic knows it. Besides OpenAI, with billions to spend plus a partnership with MS, there's also Google, Apple, Meta and Amazon who can afford to run losses on AI for years without blinking an eye. And if that wasn't enough the Open Source world is releasing new models almost weekly now, for free. Anthropic is putting on a big show to convince gullible inv…

Truth is, and this applies to all companies regardless of size, is that you don't have to be first, best, biggest, fastest, or most well-known in order to win market share that out-paces your investment. The AI pie is going to be very, very big. To estimate this size, let's take McKinseys rough estimates of job displacement (~30% of ~60% of jobs, ~20% of work) and use that to estimate the actualized [US, apologies] G…

It is not clear if (i) a lot of the surplus will be captured by the AI providers and (ii) that the impact will be anywhere as big as people now guess/want it to be. Making a bet on the future is fine, of course.

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This is not how it works, (unless of course you're pretending and collecting all these 'auxiliary data' on purpose) and even if it was, there's still plenty of non-PII data around

It hasn't been long that someone applied a basic, cosine similarity to HN comments to find alternate accounts. It worked quite well afaik https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33755016

Yes, and?

If you're worried about being identified from alt-accounts you're much more likely to be tracked via reuse of emails or some other information that you have slipped (see multitude of cases)

Simple text is not PII, laws are not interpreted like technical discussions are https://xkcd.com/1494/

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I am willing to bet that a model finetuned on HN will be the bombastic and arrogant enough to pass just fine. The bullshit is already there.

I can confirm, you can see the LLM generated cracked news that someone shared a couple days back. LLM generated articles, comments, and the full suite. It sounded very real even with funny sounding topics lol https://crackernews.github.io/

This is so brilliant! But wow. Look at one of the generated comments, self-awareness incoming soon.

> What if we're all just GPT-generated comments in a GPT-generated world, and this is our existence now?

https://crackernews.github.io/comments/startuptechnews.com-g...

Re: Anthropic’s $5B, 4-year plan to take on OpenAI

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If someone released a chatGPT/characterAI with NSFW content enabled it would eat into a big share of their users (and for characterAI, maybe take all of them). Seriously, look into what people are posting about when it comes to characterAI, and it's 80% "here's how to get around NSFW filters". Unsure why nobody is taking this very very obvious hole in AI tech.

I think there are FTC laws around this maybe.

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If its THE exponential curve of AGI, every day not invested, will result in years behind in a few months. So these are rather small investments, but still bigger then the "to little to late" of the european union. Its not very visual or intuitive, but in some games, were the resource curve is exponential, small early headstarts become whole armies, were the opponent fields none in very short time. Especially as AGI i…

In the real world there aren’t any actual exponential curves, they’re all sigmoids where the observer doesn’t see the slowdown yet.

Right, and this is why human intelligence didn't dominate the planet and why the animals quickly caught up and stopped humans from driving so many species extinct....

If you don't know the formula for the equation and the values plugged in, then you like me, have no idea where the curve levels off at.

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The main reason why companies don't allow NSFW content is because of puritan payment processors that see that stuff and then go absolute sicko mode and lock people out of the traditional finance system.

It is amazing that in the year 2023, where things are possible that were science fiction until recently, we still rely on private payment processors, credit card companies, which extract fees for a service that doesn't have any technical necessity anymore. I think the reason is just inertia. They work well enough in most cases, and the fees aren't so high as to be painful, so there is little pressure to switch to som…

> switch to something more modern

such as?

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