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Re: FreeBSD 13.2

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I'm glad you like your FreeBSD installation. Just a reminder that a range of Linux distributions available. There is choice.

I'm aware. If I had to choose one it would be Slackware.

Posting this off Slackware 14.2/xfce4 on an old Thinkpad X220. All good.

(Must get round to upgrading to 15.0 sometime)

Re: FreeBSD 13.2

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I really enjoy FreeBSD, but it sometimes comes with package bugs that never seem to get fixed.

Fortunately they seem to be very edge case issues, like the latest I have found that Postgis on Postgresql is broken.

Re: FreeBSD 13.2

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Not Linux: Linux feels clunky like a bunch of third party cogs all mashed together. Some with teeth missing some with too many. If it's not SystemMd taking over the whole startup of system services and needing its own DHCP server, it's then down to package manager's. Apt being replaced with snap, snap replaced by flat images. Its divided and with no formality. Someone will create some new thing, I'll get popular, get…

Linux adoption at scale was only possible because of getting in bed with corporate. By the way, FreeBSD also enjoys a bit of corporated love, with the difference that love only goes into one direction.

> Linux adoption at scale was only possible because of getting in bed with corporate.

Which doesn't really matter to people who already used Linux or BSD.

Re: FreeBSD 13.2

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> The mergemaster(8) utility has been deprecated and will be removed in FreeBSD 14.0 This is a bit of a bummer, though. I did just try to use etcupdate for the 13.2-RELEASE upgrade and it hung forever trying to grep for something in /etc/default/devfs.rules, so I had to fall back on mergemaster again... Oh well, maybe a clean install when 14 is out and it'll behave better. Congrats on the release!

> I did just try to use etcupdate for the 13.2-RELEASE upgrade and it hung forever trying to grep for something in /etc/default/devfs.rules

Would you be willing to submit a bug for the etcupdate issue? Or, just reply here with as much detail as you can recall about how you ran it?

Re: FreeBSD 13.2

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Does anyone here run FreeBSD on the desktop? If so, can you explain why you prefer it to Linux?

I use exclusively Linux now because of work, but in the past I ran FreeBSD on the desktop because I like tinkering and taking things apart to see how they work, and this is much easier with FreeBSD than any Linux distro I know of. Same reason I prefer emacs to other editors.

Want to see how the “grep” command works? Just go to /usr/src/usr.bin/grep and read the source. Modify and reinstall it if you like. On Ubuntu this would be a huge chore of figuring out what package the command comes from, wrestling with apt-get source and dpkg-buildpackage, tweaking your apt settings to not immediately replace your custom-built one with the upstream version, etc.

Re: FreeBSD 13.2

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Linux adoption at scale was only possible because of getting in bed with corporate. By the way, FreeBSD also enjoys a bit of corporated love, with the difference that love only goes into one direction.

> Linux adoption at scale was only possible because of getting in bed with corporate. Which doesn't really matter to people who already used Linux or BSD.

Apparently it matters to the OP, otherwise they wouldn't have mentioned it.

Re: FreeBSD 13.2

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>It is like linux if Canonical never happened, Really? from what I read BSD complaints they hate RedHat related stuff like systemd and GNOME code was Linux only for w hile, not sure if this was fixed in GJPME or downstream.

Canonical adopting systemd is what made it a standard, community went from being very divided on systemd to resigned and accepting it almost overnight after Canonical announced they were going systemd. This is a fairly common trend, they have a fair amount of influence although that seems to be waning after their push for snap.

Canonical only settled on systemd when Debian decided to adopt it, though.

Re: FreeBSD 13.2

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I used Arch for a number of years before switching to a Mac when I went back to school. At some point I may go back to Linux or FreeBSD (I've used both!) but I'll never go back to rolling releases. The whole reason I switched to Mac was that I got tired of things breaking constantly due to the never-ending updates. And if you put things off then you end up getting a whole lot of breakage all at once. No, I would pref…

The only sane Linux setup for a workstation is an immutable distro like Silverblue/Kinoite, and an Arch Linux toolbox (or any distro you prefer). I will die on this hill, and whoever disagrees has never tried what honestly feels like the future. My Linux PC is as stable and reproducible as my iPhone. One day I will finish my Fedora Silverblue master guide that has been a draft for months... (No, sorry, NixOS ain't be…

NixOS is "better" in the sense that you can get pretty close to something like Silverblue with it if you tinker around.

But I agree with you that for the average user Silverblue surely is the the better platform, NixOS is for people how like to hack around and customize their environment.

Re: FreeBSD 13.2

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Does anyone here run FreeBSD on the desktop? If so, can you explain why you prefer it to Linux?

A coherent userland (not without occasional warts, but without stuff being deliberately, maliciously ignored, broken or replaced to foster someone's agenda).

ZFS as a first class citizen, without wondering if Oracle will show up and take the ball away.

Jails, although that's not super relevant to the desktop experience. I won't mention systemd, although I truly dislike it (though I have no particular attachment to init scripts, I was quite fond of Solaris' SMF for example).

The absence of snap and whatever horrors Canonical keeps pushing is another plus, but I'm in not in a good position to judge its impact as I'm blissfully ignorant of how bad they are, I just stumble in the occasional horror story.

Biggest thing I'm missing and wish I had: Docker. Jails may be technically better, but the world went another way and they have no functional ecosystem.

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