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It happened to me today: $80/hr writer replaced with ChatGPT

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Re: It happened to me today: $80/hr writer replaced with ChatGPT

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It depends, you could just be stealing the numbers from elsewhere. One companies gain does not imply increased productivity in society.

Companies aren't trying (nor should they) to improve society's productivity, only their own.

Yes, well, that doesn't exactly go against my point does it?

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Do not equate "frontend" with "trivial". Huge mistake.

It's just an example. There's plenty of backend "engineers" who don't really engineer anything. This all leads back to a conversation one of my professors talked about. In other engineering professions, you need to be licensed by the state. Software "Engineers" don't have this license, so anyone can go to bootcamp and become one. I think if we changed this, then we would be able to differentiate software engineers fr…

As a developer with a masters in computer science, I absolutely think that there should be a CS equivalent of a PE exam specifically for accredited software engineering.

It's one of the biggest reasons that coding interviews are such a train wreck, because of the incredible disparity of competence between potential applicants.

Re: It happened to me today: $80/hr writer replaced with ChatGPT

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So this person lost his job to an AI because it's way cheaper and slightly worse.

Why not hire chatgpt yourself?

Instead of resigning because of chatgpt, use it for your advantage.

Instead of taking 10 clients, take 100 at 10x less your usual price. You literally have the cheapest and best sidekick money can buy.

The industrial revolution ended a lot of jobs but also started new ones. Like inventing, managing and maintaining machines. Now the future will be inventing, managing and maintaining AIs.

Corps can hire chatgpt, but they still need someone to interact with it (at least for now), and if they can get that at slightly higher price than chatgpt alone, and with much better results, then I think they'll take that offer.

We just have to keep innovating with the new tools we have.

Although, there's still a lot of job positions that will disappear. Before a writer could take 10 jobs at a time (example), now they can take 100, that 90% less jobs still.

Re: It happened to me today: $80/hr writer replaced with ChatGPT

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Regardless of what happens, I'm honestly just very curious to see how this all plays out, despite being nervous. What a time to be alive. I do think that "replace coders with AI" poses a much more formidable challenge simply due to the fact that software typically requires deterministic output, especially for critical systems.

IMO, the quality is demonstrably poor at present, I don't think any dev worth their salt is going to be concerned when at best, it's only what people could have done with boilerplate tooling twenty years ago, but even that was superior.

It's 1000s of times better comprared to what we had a year ago. Imagine what we'll have in 3,5,10 years.

Re: It happened to me today: $80/hr writer replaced with ChatGPT

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I see no reason to think that their pay will not increase. They can now produce 2-10x the amount of content. Did compilers decrease engineers pay because they performed a large portion of the work compared to writing assembly?

Machinery and automation also increased the output of individual workers but workers don't own the means of production so they didn't see the benefits of increased income. If you think engineers are any different then I've got a chatbot to sell you

Shirt used to cost a month wage of a skilled worker. How much does it cost today? Why are you so sure workers don't see the benefits of automation?

Re: It happened to me today: $80/hr writer replaced with ChatGPT

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As horrified as I am for people whose jobs will be lost (including mine, quite possibly), "content" is such a plague on humanity I'm glad it will soon be devalued into the ground. Moutains of useless tweets and blog posts will be rendered meaningless when ChatGPT has all the answers. Dust to dust.

I both strongly agree (“content is a plague”) and strongly disagree (artisans, even digital ones, make society better). I’m glad that we’ll hopefully see the end of content as an industry, where people churn out text and images and posts trying to monetize attention by the penny. It’s inevitable as content becomes effectively free. How long before TikTok makes AI generated videos without creators? I’m pretty sure med…

It’s something people love to be, but in a world with recorded audio, you don’t need as many musicians as you once needed (and it was actually a fairly common job). > Well, and because people love it, many will still be passionate musicians / writers / language savants. They just won't make a living out of it. And thats ok. The intrinsic motivation to do those things is recreational and the focus on monetization contributed to the "content is plague" trend in the first place.

Re: It happened to me today: $80/hr writer replaced with ChatGPT

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If AI output is 60% as good as a person, but costs 1/1000th the price... what decision maker is going to justify paying 1000x more for 40% more quality? We're really in for it. What if there was a cheeseburger that was 50% as good as McDonalds but was only a nickel? That'd be real bad for the McD's share price.

What if surgeons get replaced by better robotics hardware (more accurate cutting techniques than a human hand) and better AI software. The premise that a more experience surgeon is a lot better than a newbie surgeon holds true. How do you become an experienced surgeon? By seeing a lot of cases and knowing what to do when things don't go as planned. What does AI do? It learns over time by seeing more and more cases. W…

Doctors have an unusually strong professional monopoly.

In much of the world they regulate to maintain perpetual under-supply and to ensure they are inserted as bottlenecks in strategic/lucrative places.

When AI comes for health care you can bet that doctors will ensure they have a key role in service delivery.

(BTW: doctors are great! I just wish we had more of them and that on the whole they were less over-worked).

Personally I would not be worrying too much for the doctors.

Re: It happened to me today: $80/hr writer replaced with ChatGPT

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Why? I think the emphasis was on “marketing noise,” i.e. something no one wants or needs that is forced into peoples’ eyeballs against their will through paid advertising channels.

There is a perception among the broader public that techies want to automate all the jobs away and don't really care what the people displaced do to earn a living afterward. Bland, inadequate platitudes thrown out advising people to just go find a marketable skill in the new economy ignore the fact that the number of potential occupations that you can make a decent living doing has been shrinking for decades. If you'…

It’s ridiculous to spin being able to spend less labor in total for the same amount of goods as a bad thing for society. It is a Pareto improvement. If it leads to people being overall worse off, you should blame the governance, not “techies”.

Re: It happened to me today: $80/hr writer replaced with ChatGPT

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If AI output is 60% as good as a person, but costs 1/1000th the price... what decision maker is going to justify paying 1000x more for 40% more quality? We're really in for it. What if there was a cheeseburger that was 50% as good as McDonalds but was only a nickel? That'd be real bad for the McD's share price.

Also depends on how much skill/time it takes to transform AI output to something comparable to what a great copywriter could create. Maybe the output is 60% but in 10 minutes you can make it 90%.

Yeah, I think that’s the main point; if you have it output and just pop it online then it will be crap. However, a skilled writer will have it to great content in minutes after. That’s the difference. So if the person in question had a chance, they would offer to use gpt before the employer mentions it, to cut costs and take over the entire content and translation pipeline for that small company. Kill or be killed, so to say.
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