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Re: Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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Post by brigandish » Tue, Apr 11, 2023, 7:52 AM UTC

snovv_crash wrote: post #222

brigandish wrote: post #154

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Judging by people's waistlines they're already eating the extra needed for the cycling, they're just not cycling. According to COVID-19 and Obesity: The 2021 Atlas [1], the figures for the UK are: - 63.7% of adults are overweight i.e. BMI >25kg/m2 (2016) - 27.8% of adults are obese i.e. BMI >30kg/m2 (2016) [1] https://www.worldobesity.org/resources/resource-library/covi...

Obese people won't get on a bike, though, because it's too big of a step. An ebike is a decent gateway into weight loss.

Exercise is for health, diet is for weight loss. The overlap exists but is minimal. Exercise activity hermogenesis (often known as EAT, ironically) is usually estimated to be around 5% of total daily energy expenditure (TDEE).

I wouldn't be surprised if the obese people in question started to exercise and actually increased their food intake to match.

Re: Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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Post by dmos62 » Tue, Apr 11, 2023, 8:58 AM UTC

Xylakant wrote: post #148

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10k km a year on a bike means riding it for more than an hour every workday. Not a lot of people willing to do that, i think. If that were truly the breakeven distance (i know you didn't really say that) ebikes would be screwed in terms of ecological impact.

That’s half an hour to work, half an hour back. Not outlandish, if you compare normal commutes.

I said more than an hour. I think an hour on a bike is something most people can stomach easily, but it gets annoying fast once you go above that.

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Post by ilyt » Tue, Apr 11, 2023, 10:30 AM UTC

ehnto wrote: post #187

ilyt wrote: post #184

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Well, they ain't paying tax for fuel, roads have to be fixed for something...

Fuel excises do not get allocated directly to some kind of "road budget", they go into general revene. Almost all of it can be accounted for in corresponding fuel tax credits, three quarters of which go to mining companies. From memory the difference in 2019 census was like 100mil, so 7.8billion came in from fuel excise, 7.7billion went back out in fuel tax credits. In essence, everyone pays for federal roads, road u…

The point is that people using are paying that. We dont have fuel tax credit here (Poland) so

> 7.8billion came in from fuel excise, 7.7billion went back out in fuel tax credits.

just seems like pointless excercise in bureaucracy...

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Post by rstuart4133 » Tue, Apr 11, 2023, 11:13 AM UTC

oska wrote: post #246

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He did. And he also convincing lost the next election. In that loss the red/blue line didn't move a lot (it doesn't have to move much to get a change of government). But what is notable is that prime ministers party fractured. They lost a lot of seats to a bunch of business women. Those women look to be of the same colour politically as the prime minister - free market, fiscally conservative. But in the lingo of the…

> He did. And he also convincing lost the next election. A little bit of a correction needed here. Morrison brought the lump of coal to parliament in February 2017 [1] when he was the treasurer in Turnbull's government. A year and a half later, in August 2018, he betrayed Turnbull during a leadership contest (initiated by another contender) and became PM. He then went on to win the next election as PM, in May 2019. I…

Yes, you're right. It does read like I'm making a connection between the coal incident and the last electoral loss. That wasn't my intention.

Nonetheless the presentation of that lump of coal in parliament was a loud shot in the cultural war, and I'm sure Morrison was proud of it at the time. But history has not been kind as while the side firing that shot won the day, they lost the war. That lump of coal looks like a polished turd now.

As you say, they didn't lose the cultural war because of that shot. I suspect that loss was caused by COVID, bush fires and then floods. "We will do what we bloody well want and screw the future" becomes less appealing after nature delivers a lesson on what that future could be.

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Post by CalRobert » Tue, Apr 11, 2023, 5:32 PM UTC

dmos62 wrote: post #145

CalRobert wrote: post #133

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An ebike ridden 10,000 km a year beats a bike ridden 2000 though.

10k km a year on a bike means riding it for more than an hour every workday. Not a lot of people willing to do that, i think. If that were truly the breakeven distance (i know you didn't really say that) ebikes would be screwed in terms of ecological impact.

I did 50 minutes each way in LA, from Santa Monica to El Segundo. I loved it, except for the parts with cars.

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Post by flakeoil » Tue, Apr 11, 2023, 7:44 PM UTC

briandon wrote: post #206

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CO2 in the air is damaging all life on earth, while a lithium mine at most damages the local area around the mine. It's probably much better to have a few local "dead" spots than a complete planet out of whack. And as a sibling comment said, lithium can be recycled.

CO2, whether from fossil fuel combustion or respiration (e.g. part of your and my exhaled breath, day and night) becomes plant tissue. Land plants, algae in the oceans, the herbivorous content of your salad, the flowers in your garden, etc. "Carbon Dioxide Fertilization Greening Earth, Study Finds" https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fer...

Yeah, well, I expressed myself clumsy. CO2 in itself is not bad, but the global warming effect caused by too much and unnatural CO2 in the atmosphere is bad. And that global warming effect slowly wreaks havoc with natures balance and long-term kills life on earth as we know it.

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Post by TheHappyOddish » Fri, Apr 14, 2023, 4:29 AM UTC

aakresearch wrote: post #250

rippercushions wrote: post #32

Australia also has a remarkable tax incentive that lets you buy EVs basically tax free (fringe benefits tax exemption for novated leases, in bureaucratese). Basically, instead of paying $70k for a Tesla post-tax, you can get it deducted directly from your paycheck for around $45k pretax. The exact math depends on your income, and perversely enough the subsidy increases the more you earn and the higher your taxes, but…

Where is this fairy country Australia? Living at the western fringe of Greater Melbourne, any charging infrastructure is invisible here, I'm not sure it exists. And $45k or $70k alike both look incredibly expensive to me, I would never find a reason to justify such a purchase. Perhaps going to consider a second-hand deal when the price is below $10k and age is over 10 years, provided the longevity of the battery woul…

> Where is this fairy country Australia? Living at the western fringe of Greater Melbourne, any charging infrastructure is invisible here, I'm not sure it exists.

There's plenty of options, check out PlugShare. Most people however charge at home - power into a garage or carport is pretty commonplace, and no special equipment is required.

> And $45k or $70k alike both look incredibly expensive to me, I would never find a reason to justify such a purchase.

$45k sounds high until you do the maths on petrol and servicing savings per annum. Depending on your lifestyle, distance travelled per year, access to free charging (solar, shops, etc) you can save $30-60k in fuel over the 10 years of warranty the battery pack has.

> And families like mine will always consider paying for a new car a complete waste. Going "carless" is also absolutely not an option, so if we must spend we're looking for maximum value and minimum outlay.

It's worth sitting down and doing the maths. You might be surprised the value proposition once you do it.