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Why do self-respecting hackers use Gmail & Co?

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Re: Why do self-respecting hackers use Gmail & Co?

#51
Because GMail users have different values than the OP does, and it's morally presumptuous to assume everyone makes the same tradeoffs the OP does.

Why their choices don't make sense to him is because he hasn't taken the time to understand the value systems of GMail users.

Re: Why do self-respecting hackers use Gmail & Co?

#52
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and if my data disappeared tomorrow, I'd be pretty pissed off. But since Gmail has a sort of critical mass, it would be likely that other people would lose data too. You're picturing some massive server failure, but not the more likely case of your Google account being disabled for any random reason, which has happened to more than a few people. As Gmail gains more users, you become that much less important to t…

Back up your email! Just because your data is in the cloud doesn't mean you shouldn't make a backup. I just run getmail which retrieves mail via Gmail's IMAP interface every now and then. If Gmail went away tomorrow, I wouldn't be _that_ sad.

Don't use IMAP for backups, use POP3 instead. If your e-mails are deleted in the cloud, your local IMAP e-mails will disappear as well.

Re: Why do self-respecting hackers use Gmail & Co?

#53
I get some of the article's points, but I don't buy his solutions.

Quite frankly, I trust Gmail to keep my mail safe and secure more than I trust either myself, my friends or some NGO or other non-profit. I'd be lying to myself to think that I could do a better job of keeping a mail server secure, and I trust other small organizations even less. While I understand why the privacy issues make people uncomfortable, from a reliability perspective, Gmail is far and away the best option. So I can easily see why people might be willing to pay the privacy price in order to get better service.

Re: Why do self-respecting hackers use Gmail & Co?

#54
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1. Rich webmail is an absolute must for me. I use too many different computers from too many different places for anything else to be remotely practical at this point. 2. No open source webmail servers that I've seen come close to Gmail's functionality, and I don't have time to write one that is. 3. Even if there was/I did, I couldn't get the spam filtering to anything like Google's level even in theory since I don't…

> 2. No open source webmail servers that I've seen come close to Gmail's functionality, and I don't have time to write one that is. Obligatory comment pointing out an opportunity for disruption, etc., why aren't we all millionaires., etc. etc.

I would gladly switch to a different webmail provider (and pay a decent amount for this service) if they could replicate all of the benefits of gmail.

Re: Why do self-respecting hackers use Gmail & Co?

#55
When people have to choose between usability, accessibility, and reliability VS security and privacy they almost always choose the former. My response to this would be "Why do self-respecting open source and security advocates refuse to do the hard work of making security and privacy easily available to everyone?"

Laziness, disinterest, and fear of killing off lucrative security consulting.

Re: Why do self-respecting hackers use Gmail & Co?

#56
A simple answer: because running one's own mail server has little/nothing to do with being a "self-respecting hacker".

For myself personally, it's because I value my time being spent elsewhere on things I consider more important.

I simply don't care if that approach earns me a label of "non-self-respecting hacker" (as the original author implies).

Re: Why do self-respecting hackers use Gmail & Co?

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 2. No open source webmail servers that I've seen come close to Gmail's functionality, and I don't have time to write one that is. Obligatory comment pointing out an opportunity for disruption, etc., why aren't we all millionaires., etc. etc.

The business model isn't there. I have yet to see a large group of consumers willing to pay for secure email and the only other alternative, advertising, leads to the exact same problem that you face with GMail.

+1 for willing to pay for secure email.

Re: Why do self-respecting hackers use Gmail & Co?

#59
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Why don't all people make their own food? The same argument applies to almost any category of product, with varying ramifications unique to each. If I made my own soda, I'd leave out high fructose corn syrup. Why do I let Coca Cola poison me? And so on and so forth.

Hansons and Jones Soda man, they are so much better.

Re: Why do self-respecting hackers use Gmail & Co?

#60
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1. Rich webmail is an absolute must for me. I use too many different computers from too many different places for anything else to be remotely practical at this point. 2. No open source webmail servers that I've seen come close to Gmail's functionality, and I don't have time to write one that is. 3. Even if there was/I did, I couldn't get the spam filtering to anything like Google's level even in theory since I don't…

There is Zimbra. http://www.zimbra.com/products/zimbra-open-source.html
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