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Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by Tagbert »

oh_nice_marmot wrote: post #27
illiarian wrote: post #8

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> M2's performance increases did not knock it out of the park. I can't understand where people got their idea that M2 had to absolutely be an OMG moment. That's literally what Apple has been doing since forever: release a major upgrade, iterate on it for a few years, repeat. > Ideally, we should be on M3 right now. M1 was released in November 2020, less than three years ago . How the hell are we supposed to be on M3…

> I can't understand where people got their idea that M2 had to absolutely be an OMG moment. That's literally what Apple has been doing since forever: release a major upgrade, iterate on it for a few years, repeat. Maybe not so much that people were expected to get their socks knocked off once again but mostly that M1 Max/Pro are more than enough for years to come for the majority of the people that got them. Heck, I…

the market for M2/3 chip machines is not those with M1s but those people who are still on the Intel machines. People don't usually replace their MacBooks annually. Most people keep them for several years.

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Post by Tagbert »

Dalewyn wrote: post #109
illiarian wrote: post #8

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> M2's performance increases did not knock it out of the park. I can't understand where people got their idea that M2 had to absolutely be an OMG moment. That's literally what Apple has been doing since forever: release a major upgrade, iterate on it for a few years, repeat. > Ideally, we should be on M3 right now. M1 was released in November 2020, less than three years ago . How the hell are we supposed to be on M3…

>M1 was released in November 2020, less than three years ago. How the hell are we supposed to be on M3 now? Marketing. Consider why Chrome and Firefox increase their major version number every release for the smallest change now. When Intel and AMD are both bumping up their version numbers every year or two, Apple sitting on M1 for three years looks out of fashion to the simpler people. This isn't to say Apple (nor I…

Those aren't really major version numbers. Those are release numbers. Chrome and Firefox are not using semantic versioning anymore.

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Post by panick21_ »

Godel_unicode wrote: post #146
jillesvangurp wrote: post #71

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Apple hardware has a lot more capability than their software allows you to use. If Apple was interested in growing their market share further, there are a lot of gains are to be had in supporting non Apple software platforms on Apple hardware. Linux is an obvious one because of Asahi Linux. They've done a lot of the hard work already despite Apple not lifting a finger. Imagine how well that could work with a little A…

> It would not require a lot of changes. It would require Apple to stop being Apple. Give up their App Store revenue (Steam) and give up their proprietary 3D API in favor of a standard? Might as well ask for a Start button.

Not really. Supporting standard 3D API on that hardware wouldn't be that hard. They don't have that much different hardware that supporting a driver for it would be that difficult.

> Give up their App Store revenue

They are not giving up anything they currently earn, they would be adding sales of hardware and games.

They could make a deal with Steam or make their own steam and make it easy for Games to port their games to it. They could likely find some way to monetize this.

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Post by blep_ »

threeseed wrote: post #54
client4 wrote: post #14

I'd be interested in a Mac once Linux is viable on it. OSX feels outright hostile to power users at this point.

Not sure what your definition of a power user is. But I have root access, can install every UNIX package under the sun with homebrew and can disable all security protections as needed. I also have a Linux workstation and I can't name anything it can do that my MacBook can't other than playing with niche technologies e.g. NVMEoF, Octane.

Can I replace the window manager with i3/sway?

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threeseed wrote: post #330
adriancr wrote: post #78

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Here's one under 1000e: https://www.coolblue.nl/en/product/917297/asus-zenbook-14-um... If you spend 1250e you can get oled screens which are nicer then apple https://www.coolblue.nl/en/product/904043/asus-zenbook-14-um...

Same issue I mentioned above. Significantly worse CPU: Apple M2: https://browser.geekbench.com/search?k=v6_cpu&q=5900HX+&utf8... Ryzen 9500HX: https://browser.geekbench.com/search?k=v6_cpu&q=m2&utf8=

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Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by 1123581321 »

propogandist wrote: post #103
earthnail wrote: post #49

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I’ve traded my 2017 maxed out MBP for an M2 Air. It’s insane. I don’t do video editing but lots of code compiling and the Air handles it without problems. Sure, the Pro would be even faster, so maybe I don’t know what I’m missing out on, but the Air is so crazy fast and the battery life so incredibly long, I have zero regrets on that purchase.

what is the long term viability of the MB Air’s components since it doesn’t have a fan / air circulation to diffuse heat?

Passive dissipation is enough to keep up since it runs cool. There is throttling that kicks in if you max the CPU for several minutes in a row.

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Post by lancesells »

taylodl wrote: post #201
smni wrote: post #161

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I’m still using a 15” MBP from 2012 for my personal computer! Waiting to see if a 15” MacBook Air gets released soon, as per the rumors.

Me too. I'll be looking at what gets released this year and decide to buy. I think it's safe to say after 11 years of daily, and rather extensive use, it's time to update! Problem is, it just continues to work so daggone well!

I would say wait. If you're not stressed at work and the machine does what you want it to do then perfect! I usually get to aroun ~7 years before upgrade but 11 would be amazing.

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Post by GeekyBear »

KSS42 wrote: post #316
GeekyBear wrote: post #296

Given the fact that process node changes are coming more slowly, and TSMC's delayed 3nm node has finally hit volume production, I have a pretty good reason not buy in at the tail end of 5nm. > Apple Has Procured TSMC's Entire First Run of 3nm Chips https://www.extremetech.com/computing/343291-apple-has-procu... I think lower sales are a result of the previous pandemic purchase spike, along with the M1 upgrade spike,…

It's a bit odd to me basing a purchasing decision on process nodes. I would consider overall product features rather the foundry or foundry node in of it self. In fact, I'd rather being inclined towards n-1 node and not take the risk of being first for high volume manufacturing for a new node.

> It's a bit odd to me basing a purchasing decision on process nodes.

It's a bit odd to want a SOC with reduced power usage and/or improved performance?

> Compared to TSMC's N5 manufacturing technology, the company's N3 production node promises to deliver a 10% to 15% performance improvement (at the same power and transistor count), reduce power consumption by 25% – 30% (at the same frequency and complexity), and increase logic density by around 1.6 times.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/tsmc-kicks-off-3nm-product...

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Post by acdha »

somewhereoutth wrote: post #304
acdha wrote: post #271

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> Apple have been wildly successful in selling Rolls-Royces to the masses This analogy doesn’t make any sense: a Rolls Royce comes with a significant price premium, whereas Apple products tend to cost about the same as equivalent quality PC/Android devices, often cheaper in the M1 era, and most of the cost factors directly benefit the core function of the device whereas what makes a Rolls cost an order of magnitude m…

All I know about the green/blue text is the (possibly not real) trope of 'Ugh green [or is it blue?] text! I don't date poors who don't have an iPhone!' At some point there was a big deal being made about Google taking your data and so 'stealing your mind' (can't disagree tbh). However, in attempting to monetize your base urges, I would respond that Apple is trying to steal your soul! (no longer any affiliation to ei…

The green/blue text thing is like kids getting ostracized for not having the right sneakers in school – it’s happened but it’s just telling you that terrible people exist, and it’s the perfect clickbait story for people to shake their heads at. The reason why it stayed in the news was that last year Google made a big lobbying push trying to get governments to force Apple to open the service to Android since Google pushed users away years ago and are now recognizing that nobody is coming back.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by musicale »

gumby wrote: post #233
melling wrote: post #168

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Nope. That logic might be correct if Apple’s profits were 100% from the Mac. There’s this smaller device called the iPhone…

> There’s this smaller device called the iPhone… Oh yeah! When it launched, Jobs said they hoped to eventually get 1% of the phone market. How did they end up doing?

Crushed by Blackberry, Palm, Nokia, and Windows phone, just as everyone predicted.
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