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Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by macjohnmcc »

smni wrote: post #161
traveler01 wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally Apple users don't update their computers too often, and when they released the M1 models a lot of people had models pre-2016 that needed upgrading (since pos-2016 models sucked balls). So, part of that unusual demand was also customers finally upgrading their old MacBooks.

I’m still using a 15” MBP from 2012 for my personal computer! Waiting to see if a 15” MacBook Air gets released soon, as per the rumors.

Last year I upgraded from a early 2013 15" MBP to the 16" Max and it's like a whole new world. Way more storage and memory. I can imagine going from the same machine to the M2 would be amazing but from M1 to M2 not enough of a bump to pay the price.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by scarface74 »

belltaco wrote: post #79
quickthrower2 wrote: post #63

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I use iPhones for the “cuz it just works” factor, and with those M chips, I am tempted to make the switch from Windows PCs These days laptop PCs are unreliable across most brands I have tried and supplied with crapware and the operating system is hostile and forces stuff like OneDrive on you and begs you not to install Chrome. Last 2 years over 2 devices: Broken screen (not due to external) Touchscreen not working Li…

> These days laptop PCs are unreliable across most brands I have tried and supplied with crapware and the operating system is hostile and forces stuff like OneDrive on you and begs you not to install Chrome. That is true but Apple's OneDrive equivalent thing iCloud is the same way, they even show fake red notifications on program icons to make you sign into iCloud and use dark patterns to make you use iCloud. They do…

Them not pushing Safari to increase App Store revenue makes no sense if you just give it one second of thought.

80%+ of App Store revenue comes from games an in app purchases in games according to the Epic trial. Those wouldn’t be web apps anyway.

Also if it were just Safari and iOS that’s keeping web apps from becoming popular, then why are companies creating web apps, iOS apps and Android apps instead of telling Android users to just use the web app?

Finally, outside of games, most revenue that flows through apps are either based on advertising or payments for subscriptions outside of the App Store. Many streaming services for instance have stopped allowing in app purchases ages ago.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by macjohnmcc »

taylodl wrote: post #201
smni wrote: post #161

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I’m still using a 15” MBP from 2012 for my personal computer! Waiting to see if a 15” MacBook Air gets released soon, as per the rumors.

Me too. I'll be looking at what gets released this year and decide to buy. I think it's safe to say after 11 years of daily, and rather extensive use, it's time to update! Problem is, it just continues to work so daggone well!

The new models are so fast it's like magic compared to those older models. Even if they have SSDs.

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Post by mihaaly »

somewhereoutth wrote: post #127

As 'free money' is sucked out of the system (by reversing ultra low interest rates and QE), people are going to focus their spending on what they actually need - which often is not an Apple product.

Weird having an insightful factual beginning of a sentence just to conclude with weak and hugely incomplete speculation ignoring the bulk of the picture (Apple's all other products, what actually needed actually entails, ...).

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Post by pentae »

mistrial9 wrote: post #248
spaceguillotine wrote: post #246

Still using my 2013 MBPr, no reason to upgrade yet, runs the last non cloud versions of Adobe so i'm not spending $50/mo on software I already own. I bought a M1 mini for a desktop at home, no reason to upgrade that either, but switched to using Inkscape for design work on it as Adobe wants monthly fees now and I ain't doing that. Honestly looking for older Apple computers so I can still use non-cloud Adobe software.

second this - purchased and use non-cloud Adobe software, BBEdit, the nice terminal apps and a few minor things, on hardware that is at least six years old. I look for good condition older Macs and have a few of those that I keep safely. Really big aversion to the "phone like" OS, secret changes to the filesystem, app-store apps, increasingly intrusive phoning home and other "modern improvements"

Whilst I agree with your sentiment wait until you try a gently used M1 Macbook Air one day. After a tawdry love affair you'll want to toss the hot noisy intel machines in the garbage .. at least I did, anyway

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Post by JALTU »

smni wrote: post #161
traveler01 wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally Apple users don't update their computers too often, and when they released the M1 models a lot of people had models pre-2016 that needed upgrading (since pos-2016 models sucked balls). So, part of that unusual demand was also customers finally upgrading their old MacBooks.

I’m still using a 15” MBP from 2012 for my personal computer! Waiting to see if a 15” MacBook Air gets released soon, as per the rumors.

I would be if the mobo hadn't died unexpectedly! Such a great machine and with 16 GB, worked fabulously. My work-provided 8 GB 13" MBP M1, OTOH, presents me with momentary SPODs at least twice a day.

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Post by goosedragons »

criddell wrote: post #170
ta1243 wrote: post #132

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People have being lamenting the death of thinkpad for nearly 20 years. Lenovo purchase in 2005, keyboard changes in 2012, etc It's still here, and still solid

A ThinkPad running Windows is not solid compared to a recent MacBook running macOS. Part of it is due to Lenovo (plastic case that flexes, crappy trackpad, terrible speakers, etc…), part is Intel’s fault (CPU that runs hot and uses a lot of power) and part is due to Windows (a weird sleep mode that has the fan spinning even when the machine is closed and in a bag). This is all from my experience with a recent P1. May…

I've been really happy with my P14s Gen 2 AMD. I don't understand the appeal of overly rigid metal laptops that dent. You have to really try to flex the P14s. Sleep works fine, I use S3 sleep. I haven't encountered it heat up and burn through battery in a bag like my old 2018 MBP did a couple times. Speakers and trackpad aren't great but I prefer the trackpoint and headphones work fine.

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Post by hnfong »

crimsontech wrote: post #249
mikhael28 wrote: post #205

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Cybersecurity. You are 10x more likely to be hacked than someone running a modern OS with browser+os-level zero days patched. At least run Linux on it.

Why do you think they haven’t updated the OS and browser? Also, how can you patch a zero day?

Apparently according to online sources, the latest OS supported on a 2010 iMac is macOS Mojave, and the latest security update for Mojave was released in 2021.

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Post by KerrAvon »

BeefWellington wrote: post #242
Sakos wrote: post #224

ITT: A bunch of nerds who refuse the accept the role of inflation and somehow don't realize that 99% of Apple's customers don't know what an M1 is or what the difference is to an Intel CPU. As if Apple consumers haven't always bought their products even if the new line-up isn't a huge upgrade from the previous year. No, suddenly out of nowhere, everything has changed and consumers have all collectively realized they…

> 99% of Apple's customers don't know what an M1 is or what the difference is to an Intel CPU. I don't think that actually matters at all to most Apple customers. What I do think matters to most is the advertising that went into it that turned "Apple Chips" and "Apple Silicon" into phrases people actually using outside of tech circles. They wanted one because it was new and different, regardless of what those differe…

Why have this level of disdain for the mental capabilities of a huge subset of the population? Why even say this out loud if you must think it?

99% of Apple's customers can certainly recognize "it's a fuckton faster than my previous laptop" when they see it. Apple Silicon is across the board perceivably faster than any previous Macs.

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Post by purpleblue »

I have a 2019 Macbook Pro I almost upgraded a few months ago... and then decided not to and stick with my Windows desktop and my Macbook from work. There's no real need at this point, I'll just keep waiting until something drastic happens like my laptop dies because my kids spill their drink all over it.
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