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Effective Spaced Repetition

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Re: Effective Spaced Repetition

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Spaced repetition looks very promising to me. I've been a long-time Anki [1] user, and it allowed me to learn Czech much faster.

Recently I launched a website [2] where I try to blend a markdown-based knowledge manager with spaced repetition. It's not an easy task and there's a long way to go, but after adding and maintaining > 400 cards, I already

[1] https://apps.ankiweb.net/ [2] https://retaind.io/

Re: Effective Spaced Repetition

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Big fan of spaced repitition, especially for language learning. Unfortunately I feel like it fares worse for topics that require more application instead of memorisation, like mathematics or electrical engineering. Would love know if there was some super effective way to learn these similar to spaced repitiion. So far, the only thing that really works for me is solving lots of problems until I have the technique mast…

I've been experimenting with "spaced free recall". So first, I'll read a section of a textbook. Then, I write down everything I can remember about it in a blank text file, organizing things in a way that makes sense to me. Next, look back at the section and compare to my recalled notes, filling in missing information and committing extra attention to missed spots. Repeat the process with increasing intervals between reviews.

From what I understand of the literature, free recall produces better learning compared to cued recall like flash cards. Part of the reason is that it forces you to organize information and associate it with existing knowledge.

Anecdotally, it's much easier to learn conceptual knowledge, and I don't really feel like my recall of specific facts has suffered compared to traditional SRS.

Re: Effective Spaced Repetition

#23

Does anyone have any insight into deciding what information should be memorised, and what information it is sufficient to simply store in a searchable digital knowledge base for rapid retrieval when needed? Takes a lot of effort to commit my notes from a book into my head, but a tiny amount of resources to store them on my computer.

Language is really the ideal use case, you cannot stop and look up words every few seconds when talking to someone. And doing it while reading or watching TV spoils the enjoyment somewhat. You need to frontload a ton of data into your mind and flashcards are the best way to do it.

Another good use case is country flags, because you can't easily look those up (other than pulling up an image of ALL the country flags)

Re: Effective Spaced Repetition

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So… anyone used Chatgpt to generate cards for Anki?

Yes, I'm using for language learning. Usually via tool `https://github.com/sigoden/aichat` with different roles that I've created. For example for grammar ChatGPT generates bunch of examples for specific grammar rules, which I memorize.

Re: Effective Spaced Repetition

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Does anyone have any insight into deciding what information should be memorised, and what information it is sufficient to simply store in a searchable digital knowledge base for rapid retrieval when needed? Takes a lot of effort to commit my notes from a book into my head, but a tiny amount of resources to store them on my computer.

Ask yourself if the cost of having to look it up at a potentially inconvenient time (e.g. in the middle of a busy work day) is greater than the cost of memorizing it during scheduled less busy times (e.g. doing flashcards while eating dinner or during a bus commute).

Re: Effective Spaced Repetition

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Does anyone have any insight into deciding what information should be memorised, and what information it is sufficient to simply store in a searchable digital knowledge base for rapid retrieval when needed? Takes a lot of effort to commit my notes from a book into my head, but a tiny amount of resources to store them on my computer.

Gwern's classic monograph[1] addresses this:

>The most difficult task, beyond that of just persisting until the benefits become clear, is deciding what’s valuable enough to add in. In a 3 year period, one can expect to spend “30–40 seconds” on any given item. The long run theoretical predictions are a little hairier. Given a single item, the formula for daily time spent on it is Time = 1⁄500 × nthYear−1.5 + 1⁄30000. During our 20th year, we would spend t = 1⁄500 × 20−1.5 + 1⁄3000, or 3.557e-4 minutes a day. This is the average daily time, so to recover the annual time spent, we simply multiply by 365. Suppose we were interested in how much time a flashcard would cost us over 20 years. The average daily time changes every year (the graph looks like an exponential decay, remember), so we have to run the formula for each year and sum them all; in Haskell:

    sum $ map (\year -> ((1/500 * year**(-(1.5))) + 1/30000) * 365.25) [1..20]
    # 1.8291
>Which evaluates to 1.8 minutes. (This may seem too small, but one doesn’t spend much time in the first year and the time drops off quickly55.) Anki user muflax’s statistics put his per-card time at 71s, for example. But maybe Piotr Woźniak was being optimistic or we’re bad at writing flashcards, so we’ll double it to 5 minutes. That’s our key rule of thumb that lets us decide what to learn and what to forget: if, over your lifetime, you will spend more than 5 minutes looking something up or will lose more than 5 minutes as a result of not knowing something, then it’s worthwhile to memorize it with spaced repetition. 5 minutes is the line that divides trivia from useful data.56

[1] https://gwern.net/spaced-repetition

Re: Effective Spaced Repetition

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Making your own cards is a very important step

Science says otherwise. Saw a study with no significant difference between the people who made decks and people who used premade decks. Too lazy to get source, sorry.

My deck has 10,000 hand-made cards and I know for sure they stick in my brain easier than cards from a premade deck that I have no connection with. I suspect it depends how you make the deck. I intentionally use sentences and images that I care about.

It only matters for the first few reviews though, even a premade card can be forced into my mind with enough effort.

Re: Effective Spaced Repetition

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post #21

Spaced repetition looks very promising to me. I've been a long-time Anki [1] user, and it allowed me to learn Czech much faster. Recently I launched a website [2] where I try to blend a markdown-based knowledge manager with spaced repetition. It's not an easy task and there's a long way to go, but after adding and maintaining > 400 cards, I already [1] https://apps.ankiweb.net/ [2] https://retaind.io/

Basically trying to do exactly the same thing, do you have any recommendations on decks or are you maintaining your own?

Re: Effective Spaced Repetition

#29

I use SuperMemo https://super-memo.com/ for memorizing things. It uses spaced repetition. It has a bit of a learning curve, but once you figure it out, very effective. I feel like I have seen an article on HN about it before.

Probably this one : Augmenting Long-term Memory http://augmentingcognition.com/ltm.html

Re: Effective Spaced Repetition

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post #13

Big fan of spaced repitition, especially for language learning. Unfortunately I feel like it fares worse for topics that require more application instead of memorisation, like mathematics or electrical engineering. Would love know if there was some super effective way to learn these similar to spaced repitiion. So far, the only thing that really works for me is solving lots of problems until I have the technique mast…

> require more application instead of memorisation, like mathematics or electrical engineering

I’ve dreamed of having some app that mixes in bite sized learning lessons with otherwise “fun” internet (social media, news, etc.)

I could imagine it could give you a little tutorial and then ask you a quiz (to force application). If you get it wrong it keeps you at the same concept and explains it a different way next time, maybe asks if you want to revisit prereqs.

Even if you can’t memorize the answers, you can change your understanding and intuition.

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