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Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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Post by marvin »

wilg wrote: post #106
PheonixPharts wrote: post #103

Funny that the article doesn't mention the word "export" once. As is always the case with green energy, local changes don't matter if you're shipping the CO2 emissions somewhere else. Interestingly enough Australia's coal export are at their lowest in 7 years , but this is mostly because coal companies have been able to maintain very high profits selling less as the price of coal has been high (because there is a lot…

Australia's CO2 emissions are down when accounting for trade. https://ourworldindata.org/co2/country/australia

Similar is true for practically all countries that have reduced their CO2 emissions. Can’t be bothered to dig up a source, but probably yours also links this data.

Exported CO2 emissions negating improvement is a myth, or disinformation.

Re: Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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Post by flakeoil »

bblpeter wrote: post #127

Quitting coal mining in exchange for lithium mining? That’s like saying an addict is healthy because he quit heroin in exchange for being hooked on fentanyl.

CO2 in the air is damaging all life on earth, while a lithium mine at most damages the local area around the mine. It's probably much better to have a few local "dead" spots than a complete planet out of whack.

And as a sibling comment said, lithium can be recycled.

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Post by pgeorgi »

riffraff wrote: post #140
eastbound wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have exactly the same policies in Europe. In fact it was the directing line explained by Klaus Schwab, the West should consume less energy and let the rest of the world prosper. The danger is, when you have less energy, your industries move to countries where they can consume/emit, and you become a vassal state of those countries. If I were China, I would fund the hell of decarbonation and anti-nuclear groups.

> The danger is, when you have less energy, your industries move to countries where they can consume/emit, and you become a vassal state of those countries. "Just" add carbon tariffs, which is what the eu was planning to do on steel, for example.

"Planning to do" sounds like it won't happen. https://taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu/green-taxation-0/carbo... gives October 2023 as a start date.

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Post by brigandish »

snovv_crash wrote: post #122
megablast wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and if you want an ebike, the most wco friwndly option, you fuck right off The most eco friendly option is still a bike. Not an ebike.

Depends. If you ride a lot, ebikes are actually more eco-friendly, because electricity is more carbon friendly to produce than the extra calories you'd eat.

Judging by people's waistlines they're already eating the extra needed for the cycling, they're just not cycling.

According to COVID-19 and Obesity: The 2021 Atlas[1], the figures for the UK are:

- 63.7% of adults are overweight i.e. BMI >25kg/m2 (2016)

- 27.8% of adults are obese i.e. BMI >30kg/m2 (2016)

[1] https://www.worldobesity.org/resources/resource-library/covi...

Re: Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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Post by wilg »

marvin wrote: post #151
wilg wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Australia's CO2 emissions are down when accounting for trade. https://ourworldindata.org/co2/country/australia

Similar is true for practically all countries that have reduced their CO2 emissions. Can’t be bothered to dig up a source, but probably yours also links this data. Exported CO2 emissions negating improvement is a myth, or disinformation.

That's my assessment also.

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Post by omegabravo »

markmark wrote: post #82
asdefghyk wrote: post #21

RE "South Australia’s last coal-fired power plant had closed, leaving the province of 1.8 million heavily reliant on wind farms and power imports from a neighboring region. " So - now they import power from places that use coal fired power stations and they have grid stability problems. NOT quitting coal at all. Id ask what is the price of their power KWh?

The other key thing is SAs power use is far smaller than NSW, Victoria and Queensland. So while they can shutdown their coal stations and import if there is a shortfall, those bigger states can't. For example as I type this Queensland is generating about 4300MW of solar, SA is generating about 1300MW of solar, but SA gets all the plaudits for being green.

As I type this, QLD is using 77% black coal. SA is using 71% gas.

Over the past 24hrs SA was 83% renewable (solar+wind), 16% gas.

In that same 24hrs QLD was 79% black coal, 12% renewables.

Plaudits seem deserved.

https://aemo.com.au/energy-systems/electricity/national-elec...

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Post by kwhitefoot »

jpgvm wrote: post #94
irjustin wrote: post #84

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Should it be a refund (instead of a tax break)? I'm leaning towards the refund since it effectively gives everyone the "same final price"

Probably, but this is Australia we are talking about. It's a literal boomer welfare state. Ok maybe a little bit of hyperbole but not that far off the mark, fiscal policy in Australia is dominated by preferential treatment for the boomer generations finances. Ideally we would provide incentives in the form of a refund for all vehicles below a net carbon value per km (so including plugin hybrids, etc) that are priced…

In Norway we simply removed all taxes from battery EVs. Last year 80% of new cars sold were pure EVs. The plan is to ban new ICE car sales in 2025 but the law has not been passed yet as far as I know. But because the market is already so dominated by BEVs there is probably no need to rush.

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Post by IanCal »

irjustin wrote: post #84
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #72

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no, its because in a higher tax braket you pay more tax its the sane in britain - if you earn $200,000 income-tax-free means 50% off, but if you earn $20,000. it means like 5% off Also in Uk id you want to buy a e car, you get a grant of a few grand, if you want an e motorbike you get like $300, and if you want an ebike, the most wco friwndly option, you fuck right off

Should it be a refund (instead of a tax break)? I'm leaning towards the refund since it effectively gives everyone the "same final price"

Not for the goal in the UK. The UK doesn't have a tax break for buying electric cars as regular people at home, it's for companies. The important tax break more specifically is around providing them to workers under what's called a "salary sacrifice" scheme where you forgo some of your income in return for a benefit in kind. The BIK rate for EVs is very low, meaning they're almost tax free. This is targeting people who get new cars under hire agreements, drive them for a few years then get a new one - the goal is to increase the second hand market.

also

> its the sane in britain - if you earn $200,000 income-tax-free means 50% off, but if you earn $20,000. it means like 5% off

For SS schemes the person earning £20k would be paying a marginal rate of 32%. Most people earning more than this have a marginal rate of 42%, then frankly the figures get complicated to explain but it's a very small minority of people that hit those levels.

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Post by scatters »

snovv_crash wrote: post #122
megablast wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and if you want an ebike, the most wco friwndly option, you fuck right off The most eco friendly option is still a bike. Not an ebike.

Depends. If you ride a lot, ebikes are actually more eco-friendly, because electricity is more carbon friendly to produce than the extra calories you'd eat.

That's assuming you'd just eat less, instead of eating the same and burning it off at the gym. Or getting fat.
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