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Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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Re: Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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Post by hytdstd »

mjevans wrote: post #128
snovv_crash wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends. If you ride a lot, ebikes are actually more eco-friendly, because electricity is more carbon friendly to produce than the extra calories you'd eat.

Your theory is worth discussing. While in an absolute instant sense energy use might win for the machine, you probably forgot to factor in the lifetime cost of the production of the machine's components. I do not blame you as such a task seems exhaustively daunting, and we only ignore it for the people because who would be heartless enough to think that way? (probably insurance agents, lawyers, and such...) There are…

According to this article, ebikes do produce fewer carbon emissions than conventional bikes overall, while considering manufacturing costs:

https://www.bikeradar.com/features/long-reads/cycling-enviro...

Re: Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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Post by CalRobert »

megablast wrote: post #109
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #72

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no, its because in a higher tax braket you pay more tax its the sane in britain - if you earn $200,000 income-tax-free means 50% off, but if you earn $20,000. it means like 5% off Also in Uk id you want to buy a e car, you get a grant of a few grand, if you want an e motorbike you get like $300, and if you want an ebike, the most wco friwndly option, you fuck right off

> and if you want an ebike, the most wco friwndly option, you fuck right off The most eco friendly option is still a bike. Not an ebike.

An ebike ridden 10,000 km a year beats a bike ridden 2000 though.

Re: Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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Post by eesmith »

CalRobert wrote: post #133
megablast wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and if you want an ebike, the most wco friwndly option, you fuck right off The most eco friendly option is still a bike. Not an ebike.

An ebike ridden 10,000 km a year beats a bike ridden 2000 though.

How are you making that comparison?

Do you mean an ebike ridden 2,000 km for errands and 8,000 km for fun; vs. the 2,000 km for the bike, for errands, but no biking for fun? That is, are you implying that the ebike is a lot more fun than a regular bike?

Or are you comparing 10,000 km on an ebike; vs. a bike ridden 2,00 km and some other personal vehicle used for 8,000 km? That is, are you implying that a human-powered bike means people will overall use worse forms of transport?

Or do you mean something else?

Re: Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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Post by roenxi »

Australia is also undergoing something of an energy crisis where our quality of life is at risk. I would not recommend our grid management policies to anyone. SA, famous for installing the Big Battery, is leading the charge with retail prices at ~35c/kWh [0].

These are policies that could very well mean that we have less energy available for use; mainly for ideological reasons. Someone is going to bear the brunt of that. It is lucky we can outsource our manufacturing to other South East Asian countries; but the trends we're seeing are terrible for Australia.

[0] https://www.canstarblue.com.au/electricity/electricity-costs...

Re: Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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Post by desmond373 »

roenxi wrote: post #135

Australia is also undergoing something of an energy crisis where our quality of life is at risk. I would not recommend our grid management policies to anyone. SA, famous for installing the Big Battery, is leading the charge with retail prices at ~35c/kWh [0]. These are policies that could very well mean that we have less energy available for use; mainly for ideological reasons. Someone is going to bear the brunt of t…

Hopefully it will mean more local solar off grid setups, more heat pumps and better thermal insulation. People need to start being more efficient with the energy they use. The increase in cost will help with that in some cases.

Re: Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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Post by eastbound »

roenxi wrote: post #135

Australia is also undergoing something of an energy crisis where our quality of life is at risk. I would not recommend our grid management policies to anyone. SA, famous for installing the Big Battery, is leading the charge with retail prices at ~35c/kWh [0]. These are policies that could very well mean that we have less energy available for use; mainly for ideological reasons. Someone is going to bear the brunt of t…

We have exactly the same policies in Europe. In fact it was the directing line explained by Klaus Schwab, the West should consume less energy and let the rest of the world prosper. The danger is, when you have less energy, your industries move to countries where they can consume/emit, and you become a vassal state of those countries.

If I were China, I would fund the hell of decarbonation and anti-nuclear groups.

Re: Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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Post by MayeulC »

eesmith wrote: post #134
CalRobert wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An ebike ridden 10,000 km a year beats a bike ridden 2000 though.

How are you making that comparison? Do you mean an ebike ridden 2,000 km for errands and 8,000 km for fun; vs. the 2,000 km for the bike, for errands, but no biking for fun? That is, are you implying that the ebike is a lot more fun than a regular bike? Or are you comparing 10,000 km on an ebike; vs. a bike ridden 2,00 km and some other personal vehicle used for 8,000 km? That is, are you implying that a human-powere…

I think the implication is that commuting longer distances (20km+) is doable on an e-bike.

My commute is 10km (300m uphill) on a regular bike, but I have access to a shower. If I didn't, I don't think I could do it on a regular bike.

In general, it's able to displace longer trips (other than biking for fun) than a non-electric bike.

Re: Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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Post by manuelmoreale »

eesmith wrote: post #134
CalRobert wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An ebike ridden 10,000 km a year beats a bike ridden 2000 though.

How are you making that comparison? Do you mean an ebike ridden 2,000 km for errands and 8,000 km for fun; vs. the 2,000 km for the bike, for errands, but no biking for fun? That is, are you implying that the ebike is a lot more fun than a regular bike? Or are you comparing 10,000 km on an ebike; vs. a bike ridden 2,00 km and some other personal vehicle used for 8,000 km? That is, are you implying that a human-powere…

I think they mean that you could end up using an ebike in situations where normally you’d use a car or some other form of transportation.

Re: Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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Post by riffraff »

eastbound wrote: post #137
roenxi wrote: post #135

Australia is also undergoing something of an energy crisis where our quality of life is at risk. I would not recommend our grid management policies to anyone. SA, famous for installing the Big Battery, is leading the charge with retail prices at ~35c/kWh [0]. These are policies that could very well mean that we have less energy available for use; mainly for ideological reasons. Someone is going to bear the brunt of t…

We have exactly the same policies in Europe. In fact it was the directing line explained by Klaus Schwab, the West should consume less energy and let the rest of the world prosper. The danger is, when you have less energy, your industries move to countries where they can consume/emit, and you become a vassal state of those countries. If I were China, I would fund the hell of decarbonation and anti-nuclear groups.

> The danger is, when you have less energy, your industries move to countries where they can consume/emit, and you become a vassal state of those countries.

"Just" add carbon tariffs, which is what the eu was planning to do on steel, for example.

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