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Do judges give out tougher sentences when hungry? A study too good to be true

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Post by reitanqild »

LoveMortuus wrote: post #200
reitanqild wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the laws says you should fast, it wouldn't be a virtue (edit, to be more precise: it would even be wrong) for a judge to not punish someone for breaking the law, unless the law gives the judges this liberty. Now I am not saying I agree with this law, I am Christian and according to how I and those I live with practice it, fasting is strictly individual, something I personally would even try to hide according to Je…

That quote is quite interesting. I went to see if it's any different in other versions is bible, but it's always pretty much the same. Maybe expressing that you're fasting could be seen as bad. As if you're trying to boast about it, how you're better then others. Which made me that, if people that eat a vegan diet (or similar) kept it to themselves and not force it onto others, then perhaps there wouldn't exist the c…

The first part Matthew 6, 1 - 21 has a lot more about doing what we do only with the expectation that God will see it, either it is alms, prayers or fast.

Each of these might have value on their own, but God will only reward us if we do it for him instead of doing it to seek the glory of men.

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Post by maest »

thelittleone wrote: post #68
arunix wrote: post #31

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Same here. My hunger plateaued after two days, but didn't go away, just became a bit more bearable. 12 days was the longest fast I've done.

Same. 12 days. Was training like a machine I felt almost high. Very clear mentally. Lots of extra time. Wasn't particularly hungry.

This reminds me of how some people argue they actually drive better when drunk.

Many studies have proven that:

1. Driving ability is impaired by alcohol consumption (or lack of sleep, incidentally)

2. People are very bad at estimating how severely impaired they are (wrt being drunk or kust tired)

Are there any similar studies around ability to mentally focus / perform physical activities while fasting?

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Post by erenyeager »

The article was pretty light on this but I think one major factor they didn’t mention was that Ramadan is a huge month of leniency and forgiveness with respect to crimes. In many Muslim majority countries, sentences are commuted and pardons are given, so I think this would be an important factor to consider.

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Post by erenyeager »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #153
pygy_ wrote: post #91

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That’s not the spirit of Ramadan.

Really? https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/rama... https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2017/06/tuni... https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=0de064b1-c214... It seems in a lot of Muslim countries you can go to jail for just eating normally during Ramadan.

Judicial process is different than the process of arresting. Following the culture and norms of the place you’re in is often inscribed in law. The judges have to do with the actual judgement process of crime. Completely orthogonal.

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Post by stametseater »

getlawgdon wrote: post #166
stametseater wrote: post #148

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I heard this is so effective, they had to ban it to keep the sport safe and fair.

If everyone can do it, isnt it fair?

It's like steroids in baseball. Anybody could do it so in that sense it may be fair, but it's unfair to all the players who aren't utterly reckless and short sighted.

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Post by d23 »

Xeoncross wrote: post #187
d23 wrote: post #160

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I don't even know what point you're trying to make, but regardless, I think the point the poster you're responding to is making is that there are two places in the scientific method where anecdotes comes into the play: observation and hypothesis. These are the seeds for follow-up inquiry and the basis for the scientific method. Moreover, it's completely reasonable to be skeptical of the methodology of a study, especi…

In that case, I would avoid commenting on something you don't understand. 'All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others' - George Orwell

I got the reference just fine.

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Post by Zuiii »

fakedang wrote: post #184
MisterBastahrd wrote: post #176

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Ramadan fasts aren't really much as far as fasts go. They last only during daylight hours and you can stuff yourself silly in the mean time.

I just attended an Iftar a while back. The amount of gluttonous eating, wastage of food and lack of hygiene in cleaning up the area after the Iftar was astounding. It's of course no surprise then that most Muslim cities see the maximum amount of food wastage, and most Muslims the maximum weight gains during the month of Ramadan. Not to mention how overworking the ladies of the house in preparing the Iftar , while the…

Gluttony and moderation depends on the local culture. I've personally witnessed iftars on both sides of the spectrum.

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Post by KingMob »

nitwit005 wrote: post #182
ren_engineer wrote: post #111

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best option is to just assume every psychology/social sciences article is bullshit, pretty much all of the most famous studies have failed to replicate. And many of those studies were used to justify trillions of dollars in federal spending over the past few decades

> And many of those studies were used to justify trillions of dollars in federal spending over the past few decades Can you clarify where you beleive trillions were spent as a result of bogus social research?

Probably tough for psych research, but trivially easy for biomedical research, which has one or two orders of magnitude more money involved.

HN loves to critique psych research without understanding that once you're above chemistry in the complexity hierarchy, these problems are everywhere.

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Post by anticensor »

VLM wrote: post #120

Did anyone consider who schedules trials? "Lets get the obvious ones out the way first" and "lets not start with an intense case first" so the worst outcomes would likely be around midmorning before lunch?

To avoid that effect, case scheduling should be legislated to be FIFO for a first session of a given case and LIFO for any subsequent sessions.
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