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Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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Re: Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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Post by BryantD »

rainsford wrote: post #5

The graph partway down is pretty interesting. In terms of grid battery capacity that's in the works, Australia is second only to China (albeit a fairly distant second). They're even beating the US in 3rd place, which also highlights how much we're slacking in this space. If Australia is successful here, I wonder if it will spur more investment in places like the US. China is probably not a good bellwether since they…

Not in the US: the coal lobby has managed to get their product intertwined with culture wars and Manchin will reliably defect from the Democratic Party on related votes.

Re: Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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Post by erentz »

gdy wrote: post #46
erentz wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Funny article. It talks about time to build nuclear reactors but never mentions Russia. > ... > For example, the reactor in Belarus was built in 8 years[1]. Sorry to break it to you but Belarus is still not russia, yet. If you look again at the article you'll see lots of countries that have nuclear reactors are not specifically mentioned, however in the one section where countries are specifically mentioned a group…

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For others, not you because you're a troll, I will clarify:

Glory to Ukraine is a simple formulation of words that cannot be owned by any particular group, and to suggest its a Nazi phrase is russian propaganda. The phrase first came to use amongst students in Kharkiv at the end of the 19th century and wider use during the War of Independence from 1917-1921. All before the Nazi party in Germany was created and before the OUN was created. The phrase was subsequently forbidden for a time by the Soviet regime which also attempted to discredit it for the same reasons they did any idea that opposed them.

Re: Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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Post by andrewstuart »

Yeah but Australia also happily digging vast quantities of coal out of the ground and selling it to India and China and elsewhere, utterly dwarfing any local cutbacks in usage.

A land of opportunity (for the OzzieGarchs) and hypocrisy (for the politicians).

Re: Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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Post by AussieWog93 »

BryantD wrote: post #51
rainsford wrote: post #5

The graph partway down is pretty interesting. In terms of grid battery capacity that's in the works, Australia is second only to China (albeit a fairly distant second). They're even beating the US in 3rd place, which also highlights how much we're slacking in this space. If Australia is successful here, I wonder if it will spur more investment in places like the US. China is probably not a good bellwether since they…

Not in the US: the coal lobby has managed to get their product intertwined with culture wars and Manchin will reliably defect from the Democratic Party on related votes.

It's the same thing down here. The previous PM even famously brought a lump of coal into parliament.

Re: Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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Post by pixl97 »

uejfiweun wrote: post #13
rainsford wrote: post #5

The graph partway down is pretty interesting. In terms of grid battery capacity that's in the works, Australia is second only to China (albeit a fairly distant second). They're even beating the US in 3rd place, which also highlights how much we're slacking in this space. If Australia is successful here, I wonder if it will spur more investment in places like the US. China is probably not a good bellwether since they…

Probably a dumb question, but would mass-batterification leave our society extremely vulnerable to EMP?

Not any more so then we're already at risk from nuclear explosions and X-class flares pointed at earth. In the case of nuclear weapons going off and creating EMPs, were going to have a lot of other problems in that case already.

Re: Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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Post by XorNot »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #55
BryantD wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not in the US: the coal lobby has managed to get their product intertwined with culture wars and Manchin will reliably defect from the Democratic Party on related votes.

It's the same thing down here. The previous PM even famously brought a lump of coal into parliament.

Conversely that government was replaced by Labor in a pretty decisive victory, and the state governments on the mainland are now all Labor as well.

Re: Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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Post by SturgeonsLaw »

whatever1 wrote: post #42
cavisne wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hilarious, that last graph really shouldve been in this puff piece article.

Quadruple the energy price in return for replacing coal plants with junk batteries.

Installing a battery in South Australia did not lead to to a quadrupling of national energy prices. The cost of energy globally has shot up since 2020, and Australia's spot prices are based on the global market.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PNRGINDEXM

Energy independence in the form of renewables is now more advantageous than ever. Tethering your economy to global price hikes like this is a vulnerable position to be in.

Re: Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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Post by nikcub »

asdefghyk wrote: post #21

RE "South Australia’s last coal-fired power plant had closed, leaving the province of 1.8 million heavily reliant on wind farms and power imports from a neighboring region. " So - now they import power from places that use coal fired power stations and they have grid stability problems. NOT quitting coal at all. Id ask what is the price of their power KWh?

You can answer these questions on OpenNEM:

https://opennem.org.au/energy/sa1/?range=1y&interval=1M

SA imports about ~10% of its power and exports about ~5% at the moment (YTD) and price is cheaper than NSW and QLD

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