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Stable Diffusion copyright lawsuits could be a legal earthquake for AI

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Re: Stable Diffusion copyright lawsuits could be a legal earthquake for AI

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Post by ISL »

actsasbuffoon wrote: post #121
jacquesm wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can rob banks too... doesn't make it legal.

If I rob a bank then you can tell. If I make an AI model on my own computer and train it, how would you ever know? It won’t have a “signature” that can be detected by any kind of AI detection system because I’m the only person who knows it exists. You can make it illegal if you like, but you’ll never be able to enforce it. And other countries are not obligated to follow suit, and will have significant competitive adv…

At ~$150k per willfully-infringed work, infringement at scale gets expensive real quick.

Do you feel lucky? What if a specific version of Stable Diffusion is found to be infringing and there's a way to back-attribute an image to it?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/504

Re: Stable Diffusion copyright lawsuits could be a legal earthquake for AI

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Post by justrealist »

bugglebeetle wrote: post #160
larry_ralph_ wrote: post #158

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I did a word search of the linked article you posted, and I didn't see a single incidence of the words 'bribe' or 'bribery' in it. Or are you claiming that the word "lobby" in the phrase "attempts to lobby Joe Biden, Olaf Scholz and George Osborne" actually meant 'bribe'? And despite you frantically scouring Google for something to backup your 'bribery' claims with, the above article ended up being the only thing you…

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> understood as bribery and largely illegal in every country beside the U.S

Do you genuinely believe this?

Re: Stable Diffusion copyright lawsuits could be a legal earthquake for AI

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Post by bugglebeetle »

justrealist wrote: post #162
bugglebeetle wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> understood as bribery and largely illegal in every country beside the U.S Do you genuinely believe this?

Do I genuinely believe that startups funneling millions of dollars to politicians in campaign donations, speaking fees, and giving them plush gigs when they leave office is a legalized form of bribery? Yes. Is most of this illegal in other developed democracies? Yes.

I feel like after the whole SBF fiasco this should all be quite obvious…

Re: Stable Diffusion copyright lawsuits could be a legal earthquake for AI

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Post by threepio »

GaggiX wrote: post #72
bugglebeetle wrote: post #59

> Erik Wallace, a computer scientist at the University of California, Berkeley, told me in a phone interview that the lawsuit had “technical inaccuracies” and was “stretching the truth a lot.” Wallace pointed out that Stable Diffusion is only a few gigabytes in size—far too small to contain compressed copies of all or even very many of its training images. >In reality, Stable Diffusion works by first converting a use…

If trained correctly the model could easily reproduce any arbitrary image if you know its coordinate in the latent space (and you use deterministic sampler), regardless of whether the image is present in the dataset or not, it's also easy to imagine as the coordinates are as big as the samples generated by the diffusion model. You can take an image and use DDIM inversion to find the coordinates.

> You can take an image and use DDIM inversion to find the coordinates

I'd like to try this. Any suggestions where I can learn how to implement this technique?

Re: Stable Diffusion copyright lawsuits could be a legal earthquake for AI

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Post by dang »

bugglebeetle wrote: post #154
larry_ralph_ wrote: post #151

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It seems as if I live more in the “real world” than your fantasies about how the world of business actually operates: https://theguardian.com/news/2022/jul/10/uber-files-leak-rev... Oh, but of course, only if I set aside the “kool-aid” of citing the examples of the dominant startup players of the past decade. Perhaps you should, again, grow beyond your ideological name-calling to a rational engagement with the world,…

I'm late to this, but both of you broke the site guidelines badly in this thread. Please don't do flamewars on HN, and especially please avoid tit-for-tat spats, in the future. We ban accounts that get into this sort of thing regularly; it's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

You've posted some good comments in other threads, so hopefully this should be easy to fix if you review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and take the intended spirit of the site more to heart. We'd be grateful!

Re: Stable Diffusion copyright lawsuits could be a legal earthquake for AI

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Post by dang »

larry_ralph_ wrote: post #158
bugglebeetle wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems as if I live more in the “real world” than your fantasies about how the world of business actually operates: https://theguardian.com/news/2022/jul/10/uber-files-leak-rev... Oh, but of course, only if I set aside the “kool-aid” of citing the examples of the dominant startup players of the past decade. Perhaps you should, again, grow beyond your ideological name-calling to a rational engagement with the world,…

I did a word search of the linked article you posted, and I didn't see a single incidence of the words 'bribe' or 'bribery' in it. Or are you claiming that the word "lobby" in the phrase "attempts to lobby Joe Biden, Olaf Scholz and George Osborne" actually meant 'bribe'? And despite you frantically scouring Google for something to backup your 'bribery' claims with, the above article ended up being the only thing you…

I'm late to this, but both of you broke the site guidelines badly in this thread. Please don't do flamewars on HN, and especially please avoid tit-for-tat spats, in the future. We ban accounts that get into this sort of thing regularly; it's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

You've posted some good comments in other threads, so hopefully this should be easy to fix if you review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and take the intended spirit of the site more to heart. We'd be grateful!

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