Morality aside, does this surprise anyone? All countries use cameras do enforce their laws, why would Iran be different? The problem here is Iran, cameras have nothing to do with it.
Cameras amplify the damage that bad laws can do.
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There's a bit of a difference between a religion, and a regime that, in its ten years of power, managed to kill tens of millions and start the largest and bloodiest war of all time.
Surely most religions have a larger body count over the years than that, if that's the criteria?
Well, because populations have grown so much in the last two hundred years, to the extent that a sizable chunk of all lives ever lived are after 1800 or so, I don't think that a long history in pre-modern times would move the needle that much.
Also, the Nazis are just really exceptionally bloody-handed. In terms of intentionally, directly killing people, they killed like 16 million people. In terms of intentionally, indirectly killing people, their deliberate use of famine killed eight or nine million civilians in the soviet union alone. Then you add all the people that died due to massacres, or were killed as collateral damage, and you can understand why 30 million people died in the USSR, the vast majority of whom were civilians. It generally gets much worse in areas the Nazis had a longer duration of control: in Poland, they killed about one in five people.
It's generally pretty hard to kill that many people before the 20th century, because the means of killing are too innefective, and the number of potential victims is too small. For what it's worth, Genghis Khan is probably the most bloody-handed pre-modern figure, so if we're going to blame religion for his behaviour, it's probably shamanism that has the highest death toll.
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What happened in the United States when cheap guns began flooding the streets? A: Tactical teams with automatic weapons, sometimes snipers or air support now serve warrants and raid moderate risk suspects. We don’t have a tyrannical government. The US unrest scenario is different than China as the citizenry is neutral or pro-government, but you have a vocal minority. We have reactionary political parties that use arm…
I'm far more worried about BLM-style riots. Iirc, in Seattle they even managed to cordone off parts of the city, called them "autonomous zones" and declared themselves kingpins of the square, while the gov forces were ordered to not engage. The local citizens who lived there had to get over it. Only when BLM kingpins killed someone the gov forces had to engage.
Reference to these events, please?
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#205Just to point out: The "on device" and "private" CSAM detection christian politicians push would trivially be able to be used for this as well. Before anyone says "but CSAM is illegal", in Iran the violating the "hajib law" is definitionally illegal.
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#206Just to point out: The "on device" and "private" CSAM detection christian politicians push would trivially be able to be used for this as well. Before anyone says "but CSAM is illegal", in Iran the violating the "hajib law" is definitionally illegal.
Poll: you are reading this comment on HN.
You see "CSAM".
Do you know what it means, without looking it up?
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#207It's insane how Islamic Republic wants to speed up its downfall and start another popular uprising with things like this. The walls of Iranian cities are still full of "Woman Life Freedom" and "Death to Khamenei" slogans.
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Would the current Iran government collapse if the US removed all the sanctions and let Iran be? Historically a 180 reversal on sanctions on countries while the regimes were in place has never really been fully tested or known to work.
The current government was elected as soon as GWB started threatening invade Iran. (And followed with a much expected unnoficial coup.) The previous one (not exactly democratic, but not "let's kill everybody that dresses wrong" either) was created by a lot of popular pressure, replacing another set of religious nutjobs that were put there by the CIA. Now, answer me, did the sanctions destroy the current government ye…
Eh, all parties and candidates have to be approved by the council of experts and the supreme leader there are no free elections in Iran.
The CIA definitely did not put the religious nut jobs in power in Iran. Unless you want to blame them for the revolution in the first place.