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Re: Digital collectibles on Instagram is winding down

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https://ethereum-magicians.org/ Are you in the right place? You seem to be repeating a trope directly in contradiction to my earlier point about your view being social media biased...and also heaped on a little snark, as well. Please consider politely considering different perspectives here, without necessarily agreeing with them.

> https://ethereum-magicians.org/ Another random link, indistinguishable from "just follow the discords" > and also heaped on a little snark, as well. Of course there's snark. That line of "oh you just don't follow the right communities" has been repeated over and over and over again by the crypto proponents. The outcome was invariably the same: a pronounced lack of "true builders". > Please consider politely conside…

You seem to have missed that an effort toward a useful decentralised global consensus chain¹ should only have a secondary-at-best interest in efficiency of a VM, focusing primarily on the priorities of security and decentralization.

¹(whether Ethereum or something else)

Re: Digital collectibles on Instagram is winding down

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> https://ethereum-magicians.org/ Another random link, indistinguishable from "just follow the discords" > and also heaped on a little snark, as well. Of course there's snark. That line of "oh you just don't follow the right communities" has been repeated over and over and over again by the crypto proponents. The outcome was invariably the same: a pronounced lack of "true builders". > Please consider politely conside…

You seem to have missed that an effort toward a useful decentralised global consensus chain¹ should only have a secondary-at-best interest in efficiency of a VM, focusing primarily on the priorities of security and decentralization. ¹(whether Ethereum or something else)

> an effort toward a useful decentralised global consensus chain

> should only have a secondary-at-best interest in efficiency of a VM

Yup. Useful, global, and "efficiency is secondary-at-best". True builders, indeed.

But my point wasn't strictly about efficiency of the VM. And, as it always is with crypto-proponents, that point is completely lost, because I don't follow the right discords, sorry, magicians.

Re: Digital collectibles on Instagram is winding down

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Crypto, and now AI, are likely the great differentiators between those who seek get rich schemes and those who lever up humanity through innovation, hard work and grit. If I had the ability to migrate to another planet, the last thing I’d take with me would be an NFT image of some stupid primate.

Are we still doing “AI is the new crypto” here? I’d like to think that we’ve moved past this by now.

hot air is still hot air. Yahoo! being a useful web directory doesn't mean that Pets.com is going to be good because it's "Web-powered".

Right now the majority of AI startups are hypeware.

Re: Digital collectibles on Instagram is winding down

#124

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You seem to have missed that an effort toward a useful decentralised global consensus chain¹ should only have a secondary-at-best interest in efficiency of a VM, focusing primarily on the priorities of security and decentralization. ¹(whether Ethereum or something else)

> an effort toward a useful decentralised global consensus chain > should only have a secondary-at-best interest in efficiency of a VM Yup. Useful, global, and "efficiency is secondary-at-best". True builders, indeed. But my point wasn't strictly about efficiency of the VM. And, as it always is with crypto-proponents, that point is completely lost, because I don't follow the right discords, sorry, magicians.

> But my point wasn't strictly about efficiency of the VM.

MY point in addressing your efficiency comment is:

1) at least know what you're talking about, regardless of where the heck read it, before writing tech off wholesale, and

2) stop taking weak, adjacent-to-point cultural potshots, because it distracts from your point, which I actually think has some merit.

I hate discord, and actively have avoided projects that use it, as well. There, I said it.

Re: Digital collectibles on Instagram is winding down

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> an effort toward a useful decentralised global consensus chain > should only have a secondary-at-best interest in efficiency of a VM Yup. Useful, global, and "efficiency is secondary-at-best". True builders, indeed. But my point wasn't strictly about efficiency of the VM. And, as it always is with crypto-proponents, that point is completely lost, because I don't follow the right discords, sorry, magicians.

> But my point wasn't strictly about efficiency of the VM. MY point in addressing your efficiency comment is: 1) at least know what you're talking about, regardless of where the heck read it, before writing tech off wholesale, and 2) stop taking weak, adjacent-to-point cultural potshots, because it distracts from your point, which I actually think has some merit. I hate discord, and actively have avoided projects tha…

> at least know what you're talking about, regardless of where the heck read it, before writing tech off wholesale

You want to argue that EVM is in any way shape or form efficient? There's a reason why storage or large contracts are prohibitevly expensive in it.

> stop taking weak, adjacent-to-point cultural potshots

No idea what you're talking about.

> I hate discord, and actively have avoided projects that use it, as well. There, I said it.

It doesn't matter whther you hated it or not. This statement, "It doesn't take belief if you spend any time observing these communities." is indistinguishable from "just follow the discords" which was (and probably still is) the standard response from crypto-proponents.

This is equivalent to "just sift through millions tons of shit before maybe finding something worth looking at (which invariably isn't worth looking at)".

Your link to show "a community of builders" is not much diferent: they invented a playground and are busy inventing ways to play in the playground (replete with a new jargon)". You still have to sift through millions tons of shit like people wanting to rename gas to mana or "standard to enable reacting to NFTs with emojis". Or people discovering reality and painfully re-inventing existing mechanisms like liens and or contracts forbidding re-selling of something.

There's probably something to look at, maybe, but the usefulness of that something will be questionable at best because it still runs in the same self-reinforcing loop of "we have this thing that we say is useful so anything we do in this thing is useful by extension" (both are statements that haven't been proven).

This is not "true builders". This is children playing with playdough and coming up with cute names for their playdough creations. And literally everything they do is only applicable to their playdough (because even their main plaything, NFTs, cannot be even store objects it references in the playdough, and needs to store it somewhere else, and has literally zero relationship to, say, real physical world).

Re: Digital collectibles on Instagram is winding down

#126

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> But my point wasn't strictly about efficiency of the VM. MY point in addressing your efficiency comment is: 1) at least know what you're talking about, regardless of where the heck read it, before writing tech off wholesale, and 2) stop taking weak, adjacent-to-point cultural potshots, because it distracts from your point, which I actually think has some merit. I hate discord, and actively have avoided projects tha…

> at least know what you're talking about, regardless of where the heck read it, before writing tech off wholesale You want to argue that EVM is in any way shape or form efficient? There's a reason why storage or large contracts are prohibitevly expensive in it. > stop taking weak, adjacent-to-point cultural potshots No idea what you're talking about. > I hate discord, and actively have avoided projects that use it,…

> You want to argue that EVM is in any way shape or form efficient?

I do not. Didn't say anything that be interpreted that way — only that you're missing some things.

Re: Digital collectibles on Instagram is winding down

#127

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> But my point wasn't strictly about efficiency of the VM. MY point in addressing your efficiency comment is: 1) at least know what you're talking about, regardless of where the heck read it, before writing tech off wholesale, and 2) stop taking weak, adjacent-to-point cultural potshots, because it distracts from your point, which I actually think has some merit. I hate discord, and actively have avoided projects tha…

> at least know what you're talking about, regardless of where the heck read it, before writing tech off wholesale You want to argue that EVM is in any way shape or form efficient? There's a reason why storage or large contracts are prohibitevly expensive in it. > stop taking weak, adjacent-to-point cultural potshots No idea what you're talking about. > I hate discord, and actively have avoided projects that use it,…

> This is not "true builders". This is children playing with playdough and coming up with cute names for their playdough creations. And literally everything they do is only applicable to their playdough

Can also easily be said in a new conversation every year about new types of databases, frontend/other frameworks.

Just isn't a compelling or concise enough argument for me to forget about how helpful offline ZK-proofs will probably be for near-future real-world transactions, for example.

Re: Digital collectibles on Instagram is winding down

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I find it funny that we still call this web3. Web3 might still be something that comes up, might even be the GPT wave.

Apparently the name stuck because some libraries and websites already adopted the term even if there was no Web3 at all. Lol Jack Dorsey's already working on a Web5 that nobody is interested either. I think that the real Web3 will be mature and developed enough that there will be no need to create a bunch of apps boasting they're on the Web3 nor libraries abstracting Web3 APIs called "web3.js" before the term is even…

>Jack Dorsey's already working on a Web5

What happened to web4?

Re: Digital collectibles on Instagram is winding down

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I think I know what you are trying to say, but there night be an issue with your metaphor. The whole point of an NFT is that you don't have to take it with you as you owning it is chain state.

> The whole point of an NFT is that you don't have to take it with you as you owning it is chain state. "Hey guys, I own this valuable piece of `something`. You have to trust me, as it's 50 light years away, and all I have is a pointer to an address on a chain that is also 50 light years away"

Okay, so you are 50ly away from earth. There are only two possible scenarios here

1. You and "your guys" have low delay comms to home which means you have network sync and so everything is dandy

2. You and your guys have delayed comms so everything relating to state back on earth is time delayed (ie: you live in the past when it comes to things related to earth) in this case it only makes sense to talk in the context of that past, for which you actually again happen to have chain sync so everything is dandy.

Re: Digital collectibles on Instagram is winding down

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I don't think that this view can withstand any sort of scrutiny...

The opposite view, that there are some mythical "true builders" is the one that can't withstand, and hasn't withstood, any sort of scrutiny. At best those "true builders" can't understand reality around them (like all the "builders" building tickets or property rights with NFTs). At anything below best it's a sea of scammers and grifters.

Oh, no I didn't talk about the "mythical builders" I talked about the actual builders.

The crypo space has become very big in the past two cycles but every techie should be easily able to pick a decentralized chain, look at its community and identify those who build from those who grift.

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