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Z-Library to let users share physical books

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Re: Z-Library to let users share physical books

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What we need is a library that focuses only on out of print out difficult to get books. We don't need Harry Potter and likes on it. There are a million legal/illegal ways to get them.

Gutenberg? At least, if it's old enough!

Not everything though. There are some books I've only ever found through antiquarian shops and private libraries (eg http://londonlibrary.co.uk/ ) which are of historical and cultural value but which will probably never be digitised. Unless I do it, anyway.

There's also a whole world of professional texts in law and other subjects which I've had to access by taking the £200 train down to London to physically sit in the British Library and read (and often, photograph). The more interesting the thing you're doing, the more likely it is that you'll need to venture to an actual library, often one of considerable age.

That's not even to mention the historical archives etc, indexes of which are held centrally but the materials are scattered all over.

Re: Z-Library to let users share physical books

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> Why mail physical books around when all you need is their content? Because physically mailing books is not copyright infringement. Physically mailing books provides a legal way of sharing the contents of books with more people.

Well we need to change copyright then. I really only care about out of print and rare materials. Passing around a book through the mail that's been out of print for 80 years is rather dangerous when you care about its preservation. For some reason we legally treat these as identical to some mass market paperback trade of say diary of a wimpy kid and that's stupid. If we care about research, preservation of materials,…

> Well we need to change copyright then.

I'd like to recommend a book to you:

https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/97804293414...

Sadly it isn't the lawyers who should attract your ire. It is the legislators and the people who fund them.

Re: Z-Library to let users share physical books

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Some thoughts...

On the connected question of why human societies accelerated their development over time (recently posted on HN) a couple of comments are pertinent (see [0] and [1]).

If one values the continued acceleration of human development (in all its expanding pluralities) then there is a strong case for something like Z-lib to exist for a lot of factual or science-generated information being available for everyone. For such texts, I would guess that what the library contains could lag behind the commercial publication front by 5-10 years without appreciable profit loss to the publishing companies, nor significant losses to the estates of individuals who created them. And taking away some of their back catalogue might actually reduce publishers' running costs... (Ask: Can anyone else on HN put hard numbers to this?)

The debate seems similar to the one regarding taxation vs. inflation rate rises. Governments are currently choosing to raise inflation rates because that doesn't impede trade flows as much as some potential friction coming from moving money through a government bureaucracy for some cause. The particular cause matters, but the choice is about efficiency in essence. The same with Z-lib, as I see it. A Z-lib type free digital library could raise global efficiency in all sorts of areas, but the argument will only pass if various forms of extortive-because-looking-very-obsolete-now old capitalist inefficiences can be demonstrated to be such. Lots of publishing companies are probably holding on to old titles that for them are already digital landfill in their archives. Maybe they just need to see that clearly.

The other catch is that the "for everyone" phrase implies a representative global stakeholder is needed for it to "get legal". UN.org/z-lib anyone?

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35493797 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35495511

Re: Z-Library to let users share physical books

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> send a message to the owner and ask them to scan this particular book. Scanning books take a lot of time. And making an actual high quality scan of a book is difficult even if you have a good scanner. Physically sharing books could make it so that important books eventually get it into the hands of people with the right expertise and equipment to efficiently produce stellar quality digital scans of the book.

You can scan a 500 page book in 20 minutes with you phone, non-destructively. Though it’s not fun and the quality will not be ideal, especially if there are graphics in the text also. For text-only books, quality matters little as long as the OCR can read the text.

Graphics or any kind of symbols. I tried this with an out of print edition of an economics textbook from the 70s: the scans were fine but I never found any OCR that could even semi-faithfully reproduce the equations, nor anything in a table.

It occurs to me that a place where scans and first-pass OCRs of this stuff are shared with the intention of version controlling the resultant epub would be handy, such that small PRs could be applied cumulatively and the result be versioned (and therefore referenced). That's considerable work and legal risk, though.

Re: Z-Library to let users share physical books

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It seems you now have to create an account to download anything. Or am I using the wrong link?

Seems so, although it says here [1] you can just email them for a link. [1] https://singlelogin.me/blog/39

You should be able to create an account on that domain here (unless something has changed since I last registered) https://singlelogin.me/registration.php

You get your own personal domain/subdomain of zlibrary after logging in

Re: Z-Library to let users share physical books

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can scan a 500 page book in 20 minutes with you phone, non-destructively. Though it’s not fun and the quality will not be ideal, especially if there are graphics in the text also. For text-only books, quality matters little as long as the OCR can read the text.

I think that's ambitious. I've scanned a handful of books and although I don't know the page count, it's always been multi hour projects. Especially the editing afterwards to mark the text on the page and adjust warp tend to be time consuming. I even had a mounted tripod and remote to standardise.

vFlat Scan [0] automates the unwarping.

[0] https://www.vflat.com/

Re: Z-Library to let users share physical books

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A "library" simply refers to a collection of materials.[1] For example in the tech world, the second "L" in DLL stands for Dynamic Link Library, a modular collection of code.[2] There is no implication of lending in the word or concept of a "library" by itself. An explicit example of this are private libraries, libraries held and used by individuals. A public library is a library owned by and operated for the public,…

Private membership libraries predated public libraries in most places bt by well over two centuries and often loaned. It was actually more common for people to share a library and borrow from than to accrue their own, as the cost of books was considerable.

For more on this, I'll cite the following:

https://reviews.history.ac.uk/review/303

Available from all good lending libraries, shadow libraries, and academic bookshops!

Re: Z-Library to let users share physical books

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The copyright police will fall on this like a ton of bricks. Publishers already hate libraries (yes they do), the last thing they want is more of them.

Hate is the wrong word. Publishers and libraries have a complicated, sometimes antagonistic relationship. It's also important to understand that 'publishers' are not homogenous. Outside of the big 4/5, many publishers love and go out of their way to support libraries.

The issue is that the relationship is asymmetric. Even though publishers make good money from libraries, libraries need publishers more than publishers need them right now. IMO, libraries need to continue to move beyond being only thought of as places to read the latest NYT best seller list for free.

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