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New Orleans teenagers found a new proof of the Pythagorean Theorem

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Re: New Orleans teenagers found a new proof of the Pythagorean Theorem

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> This is the Louisiana education system in the USA, a state which is rather notorious for having sub-par education

What does this have to do with anything? Exceptional people come from absolutely anywhere, and seek to learn on their own. It's as true in Louisiana as it is in Massachusetts.

Ken Thompson was born and (at least partly, afaik) raised in Louisiana, for example. Are we all just dumb people using a dumb person's language and OS?

Re: New Orleans teenagers found a new proof of the Pythagorean Theorem

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There's no actual requirement for a proof to give you a "why." The steps just all have to be be logically correct and not accidentally, eg, assume what is to be proven. Lots of proofs are basically unhelpful at giving you a "why," that doesn't disqualify them from being a proof.

I was using Stanford’s definition. https://web.stanford.edu/class/archive/cs/cs103/cs103.1202/l...

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Re: New Orleans teenagers found a new proof of the Pythagorean Theorem

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The actual title is "Here’s How Two New Orleans Teenagers Found a New Proof of the Pythagorean Theorem" but I don't know why HN automatically converted it to this title.

"Here's How" is usually used for clickbait stuff and adds nothing of substance to the title itself. New Orleans Teenagers Found a New Proof of the Pythagorean Theorem is both shorter and less editorial than Here’s How Two New Orleans Teenagers Found a New Proof of the Pythagorean Theorem

No. The short version titles an assertion, the longer version titles an exposition.

HN automatically strips things like this on submission but you can edit the submission title after posting to put it back in when it's appropriate, as here.

Re: New Orleans teenagers found a new proof of the Pythagorean Theorem

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"Here's How" is usually used for clickbait stuff and adds nothing of substance to the title itself. New Orleans Teenagers Found a New Proof of the Pythagorean Theorem is both shorter and less editorial than Here’s How Two New Orleans Teenagers Found a New Proof of the Pythagorean Theorem

I get why that's the default behavior but "adds nothing of substance" is a huge generalization that fails in this case. An article with zero details about the proof could easily be titled "New Orleans Teenagers Found a New Proof of the Pythagorean Theorem" but couldn't accurately be titled "Here’s How Two New Orleans Teenagers Found a New Proof of the Pythagorean Theorem." Whereas here it says it'll have more details…

just taking out the "here's" and leaving "How New Orleans Teenagers Found a New Proof of the Pythagorean" would have preserved the meaning and also made it seem less clickbaity.

Re: New Orleans teenagers found a new proof of the Pythagorean Theorem

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Yeah, they made a symmetry argument, a series expansion argument, and a law of sines argument. None of those require the Pythagorean Theorem and are all separately proven. There may be a reason that it's wrong (I'm not a mathematician but the article's author is). So, they showed why the sum of squares is true for the hypotenuse of a triangle. It's even an exact proof rather than a limit argument. That I could follow…

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Speaking as a mathematician with a PhD, you're wrong about proofs. You're wrong about this site, which intends to promote a curious and celebratory attitude towards knowledge. Ironically, it is you who is displaying the hateful attitude that you bemoan. Please adjust your attitude, or see yourself out.

And do re-read the article; the author is attempting to reconstruct their proof without seeing it. You're attacking the students without even seeing their work. Incomprehensible.

Re: New Orleans teenagers found a new proof of the Pythagorean Theorem

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I remember reading a book in high school and realizing there could be other ways to prove things that I had been taught only one way. One that particularly stood out later was using a rotating fishtank to prove the pythagorean theorum. A good friend of mine was so delighted by the example I gave him a copy of the book I found it in. https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691154565/th...)

The relevant section is available as a pdf here: http://www.personal.psu.edu/mxl48/Welcome_files/Sample.pdf

Re: New Orleans teenagers found a new proof of the Pythagorean Theorem

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Can you elaborate on what is a proof in your opinion? Having a degree in applied physics and mathematics from MIPT I’m struggling to understand your point. It does look like a proof of the theorem to me.

https://web.stanford.edu/class/archive/cs/cs103/cs103.1202/l... I am using Stanford University’s definition.

You're pointing at a document without specifying what precisely in that document would indicate that the argument (which is presented only as an outline and extrapolation of the students' work) does not constitute a proof. If you're going to attempt to prove something, do try to use at least a modicum of rigor.
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