Live data from Hacker News

Ask Wirecutter: Can you recommend a not-smart TV for me?

nytimes.com

931–940 of 1001 posts

Re: Ask Wirecutter: Can you recommend a not-smart TV for me?

#931
post #420

> “Any TV worth buying is very likely going to ask to connect to your Wi-Fi, and that’s been the case for many years now,” he says. “If you can find one manufactured recently that isn’t smart, I don’t know that I would trust it to be worth what you’re paying for it, because it’ll likely be missing several other salient features that you may actually want, like Bluetooth compatibility, HDR functionality, built-in chan…

I actually turned off HDR as soon as I got an HDR-capable TV, because it's apparently code for "eye-searingly-bright whites, including in the Apple TV interface itself." I don't understand who wants this. Maybe I'm a vampire?

I actually want eye-searingly-bright whites for movies, but interfaces for TVs ... shouldn't use 100% luma.

100% luma is going to be "the brightest object shown in all of your media collection" which is probably the sun. Since on my computer monitor, 100% luma is usually used by UIs to represent a blank piece of paper, I toggle the brightness on my monitor when watching a movie.

Re: Ask Wirecutter: Can you recommend a not-smart TV for me?

#932

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi lagrange77, I like this name too. Thank you for the suggestion. It's a bummer that primi.tv is already taken, but I'm fairly optimistic that I can find another easy-to-remember domain. Also, I'll do some digging beforehand to make sure that I'm not overstepping any existing trademarks or copyrights. If everything works out, I'd like to give you one of these displays if and when I get the prototype unit off the gro…

Hi pupdogg, thank you very much for the generous offer! Actually, I don't own a TV, and besides, it would be the coolest story to tell when people ask me where I got this device. So I would like to gladly take you up on the offer IF you actually end up using the name, everything worked out as you hoped and you're in serial production. I really like the design btw, clean, uniform bezels and logo-less. That's what i al…

Sounds good. Thank you again! For time being, I was able to purchase and reserve primitv.co and primitv.net

Re: Ask Wirecutter: Can you recommend a not-smart TV for me?

#933
post #929

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi lagrange77, I like this name too. Thank you for the suggestion. It's a bummer that primi.tv is already taken, but I'm fairly optimistic that I can find another easy-to-remember domain. Also, I'll do some digging beforehand to make sure that I'm not overstepping any existing trademarks or copyrights. If everything works out, I'd like to give you one of these displays if and when I get the prototype unit off the gro…

Good domains are hard to come by. I've poked at getting primi.tv and will report back.

That would be awesome! Thank you. For time being, I was able to purchase and reserve primitv.co and primitv.net

Re: Ask Wirecutter: Can you recommend a not-smart TV for me?

#934

> “Any TV worth buying is very likely going to ask to connect to your Wi-Fi, and that’s been the case for many years now,” he says. “If you can find one manufactured recently that isn’t smart, I don’t know that I would trust it to be worth what you’re paying for it, because it’ll likely be missing several other salient features that you may actually want, like Bluetooth compatibility, HDR functionality, built-in chan…

That's where it became clear that the article was taking advantage of the question to frame the source as an out-of-touch weirdo. "If you can find one manufactured recently that isn’t smart" implies they didn't try to find one and made up this content to avoid doing so. The assumed "missing salient features" are smart features; this statement framing the article's thesis is tautological. It's a disingenuous response…

TBF HDR is not a smart feature, and I would love to have it someday.

But most projectors lack some or all of these features as well, and they have no trouble recommending a projector...

Re: Ask Wirecutter: Can you recommend a not-smart TV for me?

#935

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What even is the difference between a tv and a monitor other than size?

Sound, remote, additional "optimization" like adaptive contrast, (non-accurate, vivid) colors etc., more outputs like optical audio,....

away with those "optimizations" :)

Re: Ask Wirecutter: Can you recommend a not-smart TV for me?

#936

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your LG C2 is a dumb tv - if you dont connect it to the internet. You can even buy a $10 IR remote control on amazon and use that to switch inputs. Or, in my experience, all of my external devices support HDMI CEC and auto switch when i use them.

Furthermore, if you're connecting devices like PC GPUs that don't support CEC, most LG TVs have an RS-232 interface that supports all the basic "dumb TV" commands, including most of what you'd want to do with CEC or IR remote (power on/off, input select, volume, brightness, and other basic audio and video settings). RS-232 control also has a command to disable OSD, which has the pleasant side effect of disabling anno…

Thanks for this. Some useful info here.

Re: Ask Wirecutter: Can you recommend a not-smart TV for me?

#938
Tangential anecdote: I have a TCL Roku TV, and recently switched to using an AppleTV playing through one of the TCL HDMI inputs. I was incredulous to see that Roku was analyzing the signal of that port, identifying the shows I was watching, then overlaying an ad onto the AppleTV signal to sell me the show (that I was already in the middle of watching?) on a Roku channel. There was an opt-out in the Roku OS settings, but I hadn't realized just how invasive this monitoring was. The point being that you can't necessarily simply opt-out of a smart tv by switching your media player.

Re: Ask Wirecutter: Can you recommend a not-smart TV for me?

#940

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look, every TV UI is slow . But how can games have responsive UI on 8-bit hardware? People are doing things wrong. You have a real chance here of having a UI which is instant .

Because 8 bit hardware was realtime? It's quite difficult to implement everything we expect likely nowadays without multiprocessing... realtime Linux exists but it's not a panacea Honestly to compete with mass market TVs, it's going to be difficult to avoid have more- not less "bloat". Built-in Android would be a great selling point (saves you $200 on a NVidia Shield as long as it doesn't track you or lock down featu…

Every real-time game ever defies these arguments. It sounds reasonable until you load a game and start using it. Effectively no lag, counted in the milliseconds.

No, the reason that UIs are slow are because they are often a web browser, running a Javascript bloatware UI with it's shadow DOM or whatever, and there's a heaps of bullshit going on before anything happens on screen at all.

And this is fine! For many use-cases, comparatively beefy PCs, web pages etc.

But for what is effectively an embedded product which will get updated seldom if ever, THIS is the time to take a step and rethink what you are doing.

For a non-smart TV you definitely don't need Linux, (but you could!) and you don't need to care if it's realtime or not. There should be only one or two processes running anyway, so there shouldn't be any competition between different threads. It's should all be coded like a classic, tight game-loop.

AI upscaling and Android... dear lord. Just give me something which isn't fucking slow and frustrating to use. I thought I was in the thread which discussed non-smart TVs, did I miss something?

Post reply on HN