It's a pity that this doesnt even make frontpages anymore. Someone should hack those cameras to add fake veils when one is not detected
Spray paint might be cheaper
Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penalise unveiled women
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's your objection? That it's moral to be forced by law to wear jeans?
The law should not force anything. Western feminists should focus on improving women's rights in migrant communities, rather than calling people who point out real problems racist. Then more women actually do have the choice to wear what they want.
One of our elected feminists, Kshama Sawant did focus on migrant families issues, and passed landmark legislation banning discrimination based on caste.
Considering how many Indian Americans convert to a different religion for the sole purpose of escaping the social implications their caste ties them to, this is a good starting point.
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's real simple: "Don't take away my choice to wear what I want." For whatever reason, fragile people get real offended by what other people wear.
It’s more complicated because the reason someone may want to wear it is based on indoctrination. If you have a modern sect that indoctrinated its members to serve (labor, etc) the leadership and they do it voluntarily and in addition may balk at not doing it, posing their position as “a choice” is missing the context.
Breaking news: we’re all indoctrinated. That’s why men typically don’t run around wearing dresses, for example.
Perhaps we should examine your beliefs for indoctrination? To use your indoctrination as an excuse to remove your bodily autonomy.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
check this out, I'm gonna get on the internet and argue in bad faith
Blaming asymmetrically powerful technology before man's own perverted ego is simply misguided.
"Man's own perverted ego" is a constant across all off human history. Asymmetrically powerful technology is not. What are you even doing if you are only going to look at just the former thing?
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
> People with guns kill more people than people without guns. The irony of this statement is government is historically responsible for the most deaths as they are best armed. When technology like firearms are decentralized and more people have access to them, fewer overall deaths occur and more individual freedom ensues. Same concept for cameras, when they are pointed at police and agents of the state by citizens.
It all depends very much from social context. In my country stricter gun control has absolutely saved lives, simply because it has effectively prevented random mentally ill people from committing school shootings. It didn't make our government or police forces any more oppressive.
I'm not interested in discussing personal anecdotes, only factual history which is replete with examples of state-sponsored genocide and tyranny when the population is disarmed.
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s more complicated because the reason someone may want to wear it is based on indoctrination. If you have a modern sect that indoctrinated its members to serve (labor, etc) the leadership and they do it voluntarily and in addition may balk at not doing it, posing their position as “a choice” is missing the context.
Breaking news: we’re all indoctrinated. That’s why men typically don’t run around wearing dresses, for example. Perhaps we should examine your beliefs for indoctrination? To use your indoctrination as an excuse to remove your bodily autonomy.
Agreed, but I also think there is a difference between forced indoctrination at school (or other institution) versus culture at large.
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#117Morality aside, does this surprise anyone? All countries use cameras do enforce their laws, why would Iran be different? The problem here is Iran, cameras have nothing to do with it.
It's surprising to me that they're doing it after the massive protests against the law.
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#118Meanwhile, feminists in the western world fight to wear a hijab, burkha, abaya, etc. and don’t see them as signs of oppression. I wish i understood the logic. Wish we could all stand up against this together.
I know I'm not being particularly constructive here but it's really simple:
- Women should not be forced to wear particular items of clothing
- Women should not be forced to not wear particular items of clothing
What's difficult to understand?
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not so sure about that (in the long run). If a naked person entered the bus, wouldn't it be their issue to get dressed? In the end it is about a social contract, the details of which may change with the course of time.
Nudity in public is legal in Seattle so long as your intent is not to offend.
Also some western and southern European nations.
I've seen art students making life drawings in a city square, for example.
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you have any recent news about this? The last thing I heard was when Khamenei eventually condemned the poisonings[1], which was a month ago? [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-64862714
ehhh, it's not super clear but the government response has been so lackluster it seems highly likely that they are responsible for it as a way to suppress protest movements which has a strong momentum among high school girls. The ISW covers it every now and then with their daily Iran conflict updates: https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/iran-update-ap... > Student poisonings have resumed in Iran after appro…
Thank you! So sad that this continues to happen.