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Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penalise unveiled women

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Re: Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penalise unveiled women

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Post by toast0 »

tomohelix wrote: post #78
sosborn wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's real simple: "Don't take away my choice to wear what I want." For whatever reason, fragile people get real offended by what other people wear.

The problem is these has been equated to symbols of oppression. Tbf, they serve no practical purpose and are deeply tied to religious practices that have caused lots of problems where they are from. A similar thing would be the ban of wearing nazi symbols.

> Tbf, they serve no practical purpose

It's a head covering; it covers your head, which can provide comfort depending on the environmental conditions.

Depending on the specific garment and context, it may provide some privacy/anonyminity.

Comparing it to nazi symbols doesn't seem right; in part because it's not purely symbolic, but also because it's only oppression when you're forced to wear it, not when you choose to. No one is calling for the star of david to be banned because Jews were forced to wear them; if someone wants to wear it, they can.

Re: Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penalise unveiled women

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Post by amelius »

sosborn wrote: post #81
amelius wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get offended but I've noticed that when people wear the hood of their hoodies in public transit, I sometimes feel a bit uneasy about not being able to see their faces. So I'm thinking there is a non-religious aspect to the discussion.

I can understand that, but that's not the hoodie wearer's issue to solve.

I'm not so sure about that (in the long run). If a naked person entered the bus, wouldn't it be their issue to get dressed?

In the end it is about a social contract, the details of which may change with the course of time.

Re: Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penalise unveiled women

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Post by simfree »

amelius wrote: post #92
sosborn wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can understand that, but that's not the hoodie wearer's issue to solve.

I'm not so sure about that (in the long run). If a naked person entered the bus, wouldn't it be their issue to get dressed? In the end it is about a social contract, the details of which may change with the course of time.

Nudity in public is legal in Seattle so long as your intent is not to offend.

Re: Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penalise unveiled women

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Post by paganel »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #35
paganel wrote: post #20

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At this point anyone who works in the “AI” image recognition space, no matter the company, must be aware that these are some of the consequences of his/her work, there’s no avoiding it.

I bet the software runs on Linux. In fact, I would bet that most of this kind of information gathering/large scale spying is running on computers powered by Linux. So everyone who has ever contributed to Linux must also be aware of the consequences of their work, there’s no avoiding it.

Good way for avoiding responsibility, as good as any other, I guess.

But I’m sure that for those directly involved the money is excellent and the feeling of doing something “cool” must be through the roof, uncle Ted and Ellul be damned.

Re: Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penalise unveiled women

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Post by tadfisher »

colechristensen wrote: post #69
victorcreator wrote: post #32

Meanwhile, feminists in the western world fight to wear a hijab, burkha, abaya, etc. and don’t see them as signs of oppression. I wish i understood the logic. Wish we could all stand up against this together.

A lot of “liberal” people are starting to get progressively more strange ideas and it’s troubling. Jumping from not wanting to prosecute minor drug crimes (reasonable) to not wanting to prosecute murder (troubling). Trying to support other cultures (admirable) by encouraging oppressive practices (troubling). Not seeming to understand that very much of the women’s clothing is worn out of fear ranging from family shami…

I feel like you're doing the classifying here. There is no single "left" position on this issue, because "the left" is not an entity. You got very close to self-awareness in your last paragraph, but projected onto it a twisted view of liberalism as an authoritarian morality police, which makes me question where you source your information.

Re: Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penalise unveiled women

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Post by amelius »

simfree wrote: post #94
amelius wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not so sure about that (in the long run). If a naked person entered the bus, wouldn't it be their issue to get dressed? In the end it is about a social contract, the details of which may change with the course of time.

Nudity in public is legal in Seattle so long as your intent is not to offend.

I didn't check but I think there are lots of places where it is not legal.

Re: Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penalise unveiled women

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Post by sosborn »

amelius wrote: post #92
sosborn wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can understand that, but that's not the hoodie wearer's issue to solve.

I'm not so sure about that (in the long run). If a naked person entered the bus, wouldn't it be their issue to get dressed? In the end it is about a social contract, the details of which may change with the course of time.

Are you equating wearing a hoodie with wearing nothing at all?

Re: Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penalise unveiled women

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Post by StockHuman »

amelius wrote: post #74
sosborn wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's real simple: "Don't take away my choice to wear what I want." For whatever reason, fragile people get real offended by what other people wear.

I don't get offended but I've noticed that when people wear the hood of their hoodies in public transit, I sometimes feel a bit uneasy about not being able to see their faces. So I'm thinking there is a non-religious aspect to the discussion.

Cowardice can be a factor, but even when it is, it stems from the fear of losing control over others’ behaviour. That control is in this case veiled with religion.
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