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It's real simple: "Don't take away my choice to wear what I want." For whatever reason, fragile people get real offended by what other people wear.
I don't get offended but I've noticed that when people wear the hood of their hoodies in public transit, I sometimes feel a bit uneasy about not being able to see their faces. So I'm thinking there is a non-religious aspect to the discussion.
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"Power to choose" in the eyes of law and general society, as advocated by feminists, is not much use if women's family, relatives and other close community strongly disapprove and don't respect that law.
What's your objection? That it's moral to be forced by law to wear jeans?
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> This reminds me of the "guns don't kill people" argument. So you're telling me if we banned cameras in Iran, women would no longer be oppressed?
No, that's reductive, though women would be less frequently oppressed. I'm saying without cameras people will have more freedom to resist, in big and small ways. And with enough resistance they may enact meaningful change. Cameras are tightening the noose on the opposition to those in power.
sad thing is this is only the start, wait till you see what pervalant surveillance powered with AI/GPT-X brings.
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It is the opposite. Feminists are fundamentally anti religion and anti establishment. If govt is railing against what women can do, feminists are the first to fight. If religion is dictating what women can/should do, feminists will be the first to fight. Feminists are to authority like atheists are to religion.
I had a conversation with a young progressive atheist woman about first hand accounts with women of Muslim backgrounds wearing the mandated clothing out of fear. She had a hard time accepting that what people said and how they acted publicly wasn’t the whole story. I used to smoke weed with some people that included some Muslim girls who would talk openly about what they were afraid of and the family pressures. If yo…
To use a phrase that seems to have lost favor: link, or it didn’t happen.
I've personally known 2 women from Iran who are not fans of the US foreign policy, but become red with anger and visibly shaking when talking about their govt's treatment of women.
A lot of Iranians see US foreign policy as aiding or even causing the current Iranian government.
Meanwhile, feminists in the western world fight to wear a hijab, burkha, abaya, etc. and don’t see them as signs of oppression. I wish i understood the logic. Wish we could all stand up against this together.
Morality aside, does this surprise anyone? All countries use cameras do enforce their laws, why would Iran be different? The problem here is Iran, cameras have nothing to do with it.
This reminds me of the "guns don't kill people" argument. Surveillance cameras have everything to do with consolidating power into fewer and fewer hands. Therefore fewer voices of dissent on the levers of power. Iran is going through a demographic shift. The protests and strikes are evidence of a desire for change. With tools like this even small acts of defiance become higher risk.