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Re: Do judges give out tougher sentences when hungry? A study too good to be true

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Post by zvmaz »

wpietri wrote: post #117
franciscop wrote: post #16

Interesting bias on the bias: the author of this article seems not to have experienced a prolonged fast themselves, otherwise they'd know this is not true at all: > "longer fasts – and thus, presumably, greater hunger" As anyone who has fasted for probably any reason can tell you, the longer the fast the less hungry you are overall AFTER an initial peak. Meaning, miss a meal and you are hungry, miss two and you becom…

Yeah, as somebody who has experimented with fasting, I think it's a huge mistake to think that Ramadan fasters would respond like hungry non-fasters. Fasting is a common religious practice because it is both a challenge and a discipline. To get good at fasting, you have to work to unlearn habits of instant gratification and learn to consciously lean against the urgings of the body. A fasting practice develops real sk…

> It's perfectly plausible to me that Ramadan-observing judges would better at judging while hungry while non-fasters would get worse.

I don't know for judges, but I live in a dominantly religious society and I haven't noticed the virtues promised by observing strict religious fasting. In fact, people have been jailed by (probably fasting) judges for eating out of sight [1].

[1] https://www-lepoint-fr.translate.goog/monde/algerie-2-ans-de...

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Post by hannes0 »

Yajirobe wrote: post #104
chaosbolt wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

12 days with no food? Like just water and electrolytes etc.? This is some spartan discipline.

Why would you do this to yourself?

Last week I fasted for 5 days. Today I ate sugar again. I cannot speak for OP but my primary reasons were curiosity and becoming more aware of my body and energy levels. The last days I was super active, productive and in a crazy good mood. Today I feel like a slump. I probably will do it again and 5 days was much easier than expected. You probably need some experience to do it for 12 days, but I am very confident that it is manageable after the second or third time. It‘s like sport. People say „why would you do it“, but when you experience it by yourself you know intrinsically that it isn’t actually that bad.

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Post by Vecr »

mschuster91 wrote: post #123
haberman wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CDC released only a small fraction of the data it collected about COVID, because it felt the data could be misinterpreted. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/20/health/covid-cdc-data.htm... It also declined to gather other kinds of data altogether (like breakthrough infections). https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/25/health/cdc-coronavirus-in... Is this how science should work?

> Is this how science should work? Under normal circumstances, definitely not. The problem is, the last time scientific data was misinterpreted on that scale and with the ruthlessness that could be seen during COVID was probably back when the Catholic Church fought against heliocentrism. Scientific discourse requires good faith and a common shared sense of truth, something that COVID deniers and antivaxxers lack to t…

How would scientists get and publish the data if they don't know it exists? Or, if they intellectually think it probably exists, that's different from actually seeing that it exists. I think the CDC is totally wrong, what they did/are doing has a massive impact on the quality of "the science" (as in normal science where the scientists can actually talk about what they did).

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Post by thelittleone »

throwaway290 wrote: post #132
thelittleone wrote: post #68

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Same. 12 days. Was training like a machine I felt almost high. Very clear mentally. Lots of extra time. Wasn't particularly hungry.

I'm confused. You say "same", so you agree with arunix and jraby3? For them their level of hunger increased the longer they fasted. But then you wrote "wasn't particularly hungry", so you agree with franciscop? Impressive if you did training while fasting btw!

I should have been more clear. For me at least, the peak hunger point was approximately 48hrs. It subsided substantially from there. I am fit and train often. But I've had a life long unhealthy relationship with sugar, which I managed to solve some months after I started fasting.

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Post by legitimayzer »

d'oh

I would if I were a judge. a pity that people making it into judges are not self-developed enough that they'd know this.

but in a society of specialists, knowing yourself is not strictly necessary to apply judgement as prescribed in laws.

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Post by distantaidenn »

ilyt wrote: post #90
distantaidenn wrote: post #5

I'm a daily faster for the past 20 years, so I can attest (anecdotally) to the benefits of working while hungry. Once you adapt, after a couple weeks, instead of being irritable when hungry, you mind feels clear and focused. After all, despite the trappings of modern society, we are a predator species. Hunger gets shit done. When I was a kid, I recall the teachers always telling us to have a good meal before a test.…

Not my experience. I eat one meal a day and I don't really get work going before that meal (which is usually around noon). It's not even that I feel particularly hungry (unless I ate less than usual yesterday), peak of hunger is usually somewhere before I go asleep, I just feel a bit lethargic. I only get "brain fog" some time after eating a lot of sweet or otherwise easily accessible sugars > Anyway, I'm surprised t…

> Not my experience. I eat one meal a day and I don't really get work going before that meal (which is usually around noon).

Of course, you do what is best for you. But I recommend you do some research in the parasympathetic and sympathetic nervous systems and how these systems relate to fasting and energy expenditure/utilization based on the diurnal cycle.

For my IF schedule, I aim to maximize the efficiency of both. This results in my having only an evening meal. I.e. active and responsive during the day (fasting), relaxed and digesting during the evening (meal time) before sleep.

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Post by stametseater »

wpietri wrote: post #117
franciscop wrote: post #16

Interesting bias on the bias: the author of this article seems not to have experienced a prolonged fast themselves, otherwise they'd know this is not true at all: > "longer fasts – and thus, presumably, greater hunger" As anyone who has fasted for probably any reason can tell you, the longer the fast the less hungry you are overall AFTER an initial peak. Meaning, miss a meal and you are hungry, miss two and you becom…

Yeah, as somebody who has experimented with fasting, I think it's a huge mistake to think that Ramadan fasters would respond like hungry non-fasters. Fasting is a common religious practice because it is both a challenge and a discipline. To get good at fasting, you have to work to unlearn habits of instant gratification and learn to consciously lean against the urgings of the body. A fasting practice develops real sk…

Don't Ramadan fasters only fast for a few hours a day (e.g. during daylight?) Do they ever reach the point where they've skipped enough meals to no longer be hungry? TBQH skipping meals during the day and eating one big meal after dark doesn't seem terribly unlike the lifestyle of many nerdy bachelors. I'm sure I've done that many times myself without even thinking about it.

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Post by stametseater »

sdenton4 wrote: post #129
satvikpendem wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, the book The Quick Fix goes over exactly this point. For example, did you know that the Superman pose had no scientific evidence whatsoever? The researcher simply pushed for it because it made her feel good. The grit study by Angela Duckworth is similarly faulty, the cadet training camp she went to had a pass rate of over 90% so the ones who didn't pass weren't in a statistically significant group to show whe…

Here's some incontrovertible evidence of the effectiveness of the Superman position. https://youtu.be/99K4gpJZWdw

I heard this is so effective, they had to ban it to keep the sport safe and fair.

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Post by dist1ll »

distantaidenn wrote: post #139
dist1ll wrote: post #135

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> There are numerous studies that show a positive correlation with ketone production and cognitive performance. Do you have a source? Your second link measures cognitive performance in rats, not humans.

> Castellano, C.A., Nugent, S., Paquet, N., Tremblay, S., Bocti, C., Lacombe, G., Imbeault, H., Turcotte, E., Fulop, T., & Cunnane, S.C. (2015). Lower brain 18F-fluorodeoxyglucose uptake but normal 11C-acetoacetate metabolism in mild Alzheimer's disease dementia. Journal of Alzheimer's Disease, 43(4), 1343-1353. doi: 10.3233/JAD-141952 -- This study found that the brain's uptake of ketones was preserved in patients w…

Thanks for providing those references, I'm pretty curious about this topic.

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Post by ycombinete »

franciscop wrote: post #16

Interesting bias on the bias: the author of this article seems not to have experienced a prolonged fast themselves, otherwise they'd know this is not true at all: > "longer fasts – and thus, presumably, greater hunger" As anyone who has fasted for probably any reason can tell you, the longer the fast the less hungry you are overall AFTER an initial peak. Meaning, miss a meal and you are hungry, miss two and you becom…

This doesn’t ring true for me. It seems more likely to me that, like with alcohol, we merely become less aware of how impaired we actually are.

In Middle Eastern countries road rage incidents and reckless driving skyrocket during Ramadan. And many countries acknowledge this by all but shutting down after 1500 in the afternoon.

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