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Do judges give out tougher sentences when hungry? A study too good to be true

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Re: Do judges give out tougher sentences when hungry? A study too good to be true

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Post by haberman »

mschuster91 wrote: post #54
gambiting wrote: post #32

I feel like the entire field of psychology is no more valid than homeopathy. Just people coming up with theories why something happens, patting themselves on the back, then the whole thing gets inevitably disproven few years/decades later. And it doesn't have the hallmarks of actual science, where people go ok, our theory was slightly wrong, let's refine it - no, it turns out the entire approaches and assumptions are…

> How many generations of psychologists have been trained on theories of Freud but now if you suggested any of what he said as true you'd be laughed out of the room? That's called science : to act on data and knowledge you have, and to refine your theories with more / better data and knowledge you gain over time. And that's true over all fields of science - no one got it right or complete on the first try, we are bui…

The CDC released only a small fraction of the data it collected about COVID, because it felt the data could be misinterpreted. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/20/health/covid-cdc-data.htm...

It also declined to gather other kinds of data altogether (like breakthrough infections). https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/25/health/cdc-coronavirus-in...

Is this how science should work?

Re: Do judges give out tougher sentences when hungry? A study too good to be true

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Post by toast0 »

distantaidenn wrote: post #5

I'm a daily faster for the past 20 years, so I can attest (anecdotally) to the benefits of working while hungry. Once you adapt, after a couple weeks, instead of being irritable when hungry, you mind feels clear and focused. After all, despite the trappings of modern society, we are a predator species. Hunger gets shit done. When I was a kid, I recall the teachers always telling us to have a good meal before a test.…

> When I was a kid, I recall the teachers always telling us to have a good meal before a test. Even then I felt that was silly, as a big lunch always gave me brain fog.

Insufficient direction from the teachers there, I think. A good meal in this context doesn't mean a big meal, usually. You'd want to eat like you were planning to do some strenuous exercise shortly afterward. If you eat big and then go running, that's no good; if you have a roughly typical diet, you want a mix of carbs, fat, and protein, as those provide energy on different timescales. If you keep a diet which avoids one of those things, you do you, but you still want the same goal of energy available over time, not eating too much that digestion needs overwhelm everything else, nor not little that hunger distracts.

Re: Do judges give out tougher sentences when hungry? A study too good to be true

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Post by mschuster91 »

haberman wrote: post #121
mschuster91 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How many generations of psychologists have been trained on theories of Freud but now if you suggested any of what he said as true you'd be laughed out of the room? That's called science : to act on data and knowledge you have, and to refine your theories with more / better data and knowledge you gain over time. And that's true over all fields of science - no one got it right or complete on the first try, we are bui…

The CDC released only a small fraction of the data it collected about COVID, because it felt the data could be misinterpreted. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/20/health/covid-cdc-data.htm... It also declined to gather other kinds of data altogether (like breakthrough infections). https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/25/health/cdc-coronavirus-in... Is this how science should work?

> Is this how science should work?

Under normal circumstances, definitely not. The problem is, the last time scientific data was misinterpreted on that scale and with the ruthlessness that could be seen during COVID was probably back when the Catholic Church fought against heliocentrism.

Scientific discourse requires good faith and a common shared sense of truth, something that COVID deniers and antivaxxers lack to this very date.

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Post by oblak »

leroy-is-here wrote: post #99
beebeepka wrote: post #79

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Zero calorie food is the very definition of an oxymoron. Emphasis on moron. This is on same level of single use clothes

I don’t know if you are disagreeing with me but see: zero calorie sodas and sugars.

Zero calorie sodas are food?

Re: Do judges give out tougher sentences when hungry? A study too good to be true

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Post by leroy-is-here »

oblak wrote: post #124
leroy-is-here wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know if you are disagreeing with me but see: zero calorie sodas and sugars.

Zero calorie sodas are food?

I'm sure you can find much research about how the body reacts to it as such.

Re: Do judges give out tougher sentences when hungry? A study too good to be true

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Post by oblak »

leroy-is-here wrote: post #125
oblak wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zero calorie sodas are food?

I'm sure you can find much research about how the body reacts to it as such.

Ah, now I see your point. Still should not be called food, though. Unless I've been misusing the word my entire life

Re: Do judges give out tougher sentences when hungry? A study too good to be true

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Post by astura »

jraby3 wrote: post #17
franciscop wrote: post #16

Interesting bias on the bias: the author of this article seems not to have experienced a prolonged fast themselves, otherwise they'd know this is not true at all: > "longer fasts – and thus, presumably, greater hunger" As anyone who has fasted for probably any reason can tell you, the longer the fast the less hungry you are overall AFTER an initial peak. Meaning, miss a meal and you are hungry, miss two and you becom…

I’ve gone on multiple 3-5 day fasts and disagree (or at least haven’t gotten to this point). My hunger seems to stabilize at very hungry after about two days.

Agreed, I am an experienced faster. My longest fast was 5 days (no food mon-friday)

I've never felt "not hungry" during a fast. I think "I don't even feel hungry" is something people just say to cope. More like a mindset than an actual feeling.

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Post by throwaway290 »

wincy wrote: post #106
throwaway290 wrote: post #33

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Haven't gone 3-5 days but done more than 1 day, hunger paradoxically goes from high to low/none in 24 hours. I can feel weaker but not hungry the way I feel at first. After adjusting to rare meals I 100% feel better after 8 hours of not eating than when I eat often. Do you spend physical effort during that time? Eg. exercise, move heavy stuff, intensely walk. (I don't) Also what do you eat/drink before you fast. If I…

At day three I was fine until I told myself I was going to get some food. Then I felt like I got hit by a truck in my stomach and nearly threw up I was shaking and so hungry. So I ended up breaking a three day fast at a Taco Bell instead of the grass fed steak I had waiting at home. Best Chalupa I’ve ever eaten in my life.

The body is a mystery! I guess biology is influenced by thought as much as the other way round...

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Post by sdenton4 »

satvikpendem wrote: post #114
ren_engineer wrote: post #111

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best option is to just assume every psychology/social sciences article is bullshit, pretty much all of the most famous studies have failed to replicate. And many of those studies were used to justify trillions of dollars in federal spending over the past few decades

Indeed, the book The Quick Fix goes over exactly this point. For example, did you know that the Superman pose had no scientific evidence whatsoever? The researcher simply pushed for it because it made her feel good. The grit study by Angela Duckworth is similarly faulty, the cadet training camp she went to had a pass rate of over 90% so the ones who didn't pass weren't in a statistically significant group to show whe…

Here's some incontrovertible evidence of the effectiveness of the Superman position.

https://youtu.be/99K4gpJZWdw

Re: Do judges give out tougher sentences when hungry? A study too good to be true

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Post by jrm4 »

This might be the dumbest article I've ever read. It ought to be shockingly obvious that "hunger" associated with people who know what to expect and who do it regularly as a practice is going to be miles different from someone who ate that day and is dealing with different levels of e.g. blood sugar and whatnot.
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