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Re: Everything advertised on social media is overpriced junk

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Props for the heads-up to "headline-only readers". > a largely bureaucratic way to extract extra money from Google/Meta/Amazon in the EU This can not be overstated. The EU should concentrate on creating things of value of their own, like privacy first services , not constantly prioritizing leeching off innovation and progress in other countries. Speaking as a concerned European here, with plenty of criticism of the w…

Just curious: do you regard the Google/Meta/Amazon advertising machines as "innovation and progress"? Or in any sense "things of value"?

Sure. They know their value.

The problem is that’s hard for everyone downstream. I used to sell stuff on Amazon and EBay from surplus auctions as a side hustle. Initially you could run a sustainable business with 20-30% gross margins. When I got out, you needed 60-70% margins.

So you really need to be selling a lifetime customer with value beyond the first sale, sell some bullshit story, or junk/scam/stolen product high margins.

That’s why drugstores get looted… people sell toothpaste on Amazon.

Re: Everything advertised on social media is overpriced junk

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I consider this phenomenon part of what I like to call the "Amazon syndrome", even though Amazon is far from being the only culprit. As China started flooding the rest of the world with cheap but decent products mass-produced in a random factory in Shenzhen, people turned away from brands they used to trust and towards no-name options from the likes of "Kxbnheb" or "Ypknwoj" in order to save a buck. Eventually the bi…

'Eventually the big brands themselves had to lower the quality of their products to be able to compete with the generic products...' I remember some brands lowering the quality of their product long before all of these random Chinese copycats sprung up. Maybe this is why they were able to get a foothold because people like myself began to think that some cheap copies were actually better than the genuine article. My…

Nike quality is atrocious materials are garbage grade but shoes still sell for 200+

Re: Everything advertised on social media is overpriced junk

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The combination of the author's clearly simmering rage (arguably even reaching a boil at some points in this post) and some fundamentally incorrect assertions make this tough for me to take seriously.

Not far into the piece, we get: > The point is that Jeremy's has to spend $800K/month to reach its customers, which means that it either has to accept $800K less in profits, or make it up by charging more and/or skimping on quality.

...what? Acquiring new customers for a business via advertising means less profits or lower quality? How does that follow?

I own an ecommerce business, and Facebook/Instagram ads are my main avenue of new customer acquisition (though to be clear I'm not in the ballpark of $800k/year). My products are somewhat seasonal, so I can only really profitably advertise from about April-September. The rest of the time, I'm just continuing to sell to existing customers.

During the April-September window, I make much more money, because I am selling to my existing customers and also selling to new customers via profitable advertising. The quality of my product does not decline during the time that I am advertising. My prices don't change during that period, either.

My company makes decidedly more money because I'm able to advertise. It doesn't cost me to lose profits; it causes me to gain them. Yes, if you look at my books, you'll see that advertising is a big red number, but if that's where you end your analysis, you just don't have a basic concept of how advertising works.

For all of the author's complains about "enshittification" (cute the first time, but beaten equine carcass style by the end) of products, this kind of targeted advertising is an enormous boon for small businesses that sell good products. I can't afford a TV ad campaign, and even if I could, I couldn't measure it enough for it to be useful, given that I'm trying to keep things tight and well-understood financially.

He complains about "ad-tech intermediaries scooping up 50% or more of every advertising dollar," but there is a reason for that! They are delivering a service that is valuable for businesses in an immediate and measurable way. The amount of market share the ad-tech companies get is proportional to the quality of the service they provide to advertisers relative to other media.

Now to be clear, I agree with much of what the author takes issue with in terms of data collection and the like. There are lots of privacy issues with Facebook, Google, etc. that should be taken seriously, and people should clearly understand what it is they're sharing and how it's used. But even with that in mind, the author is conflating his frustration with adtech and concern about privacy issues with the idea that they aren't delivering tremendous value to small businesses like mine, and that's just incorrect.

Re: Everything advertised on social media is overpriced junk

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> I bought an espresso machine from a facebook ad that turned out to be an elaborate scam. More about this, please!

Here it is: https://www.facebook.com/BaristaService365/posts/10258694519... I clicked the link and went to the website, which at the time went to sarisell.com , a professional-looking storefront (they move to a new domain and update the ad every week or two). I thought there was a pretty good chance it was a scam since this is an $800 machine supposedly selling for $300, but I figured I would be reimbursed if it was,…

If it makes you feel better, I got scammed the same way but in Walmart.com. Bought an espresso machine that was a little too good to be true - the purchase wen through like a normal Walmart.com order. They sent a tracking link through fedex/other - but it was delivered a to a different address in my city. Called up fedex, turns out the company never intended to ship something to me and they shipped an empty (weight wise) box to a warehouse to trick Walmart.

At least after a few days of effort Walmart did refund me and said they were investigating the vendor.

Re: Everything advertised on social media is overpriced junk

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I’ve got a take: I think the current gap in the market for a lot of product areas is “more expensive but high quality.” I desperately want to spend more money on a product that will stand the test of time but it’s so hard to find them at times. Sure there will always be a majority of shoppers who want the cheapest thing as fast as they can get it and they won’t mind if they have to buy 3 of them every year, but I thi…

I definitely agree there is a market for that, but the increasing problem is how consumers discover your product and sort through the trash heap of cheap alternatives. Google is useless these days for finding product reviews, Amazon largely just shows you keyboard-smash Chinese brands unless you already know what brand you're looking for, and legitimate review sites like Wirecutter have a hard time keeping up or cove…

YouTube used to be a decent place to get product reviews but then the company took away the Dislike count for ideological reasons, making automated scrape-and-publish trash impossible to filter out of search results.

Re: Everything advertised on social media is overpriced junk

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post #11

I consider this phenomenon part of what I like to call the "Amazon syndrome", even though Amazon is far from being the only culprit. As China started flooding the rest of the world with cheap but decent products mass-produced in a random factory in Shenzhen, people turned away from brands they used to trust and towards no-name options from the likes of "Kxbnheb" or "Ypknwoj" in order to save a buck. Eventually the bi…

'Eventually the big brands themselves had to lower the quality of their products to be able to compete with the generic products...' I remember some brands lowering the quality of their product long before all of these random Chinese copycats sprung up. Maybe this is why they were able to get a foothold because people like myself began to think that some cheap copies were actually better than the genuine article. My…

Came here to say that. You paid for the brand and the perceived 'status' that brandishing (pun intended) the logo gave you, not the quality. This was long before the Chinese crapstream flowed richly. Maybe there's perceived quality too, as a bias that forms by paying so much for the branded article.

Re: Everything advertised on social media is overpriced junk

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I've got three kids. We have so much crap all around the house. We buy the junk that is constantly advertised to us. We purchase from Walmart which mostly sells crap too. If we stopped for a minute and got off the social media train of consumption, and bought only high quality things, but a lot less of them, we would have a much better life and no clutter. But we don't.

Re: Everything advertised on social media is overpriced junk

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post #38

I've got three kids. We have so much crap all around the house. We buy the junk that is constantly advertised to us. We purchase from Walmart which mostly sells crap too. If we stopped for a minute and got off the social media train of consumption, and bought only high quality things, but a lot less of them, we would have a much better life and no clutter. But we don't.

I appreciate you commenting from in the thick of it. Do you have theories on why?

Re: Everything advertised on social media is overpriced junk

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I consider this phenomenon part of what I like to call the "Amazon syndrome", even though Amazon is far from being the only culprit. As China started flooding the rest of the world with cheap but decent products mass-produced in a random factory in Shenzhen, people turned away from brands they used to trust and towards no-name options from the likes of "Kxbnheb" or "Ypknwoj" in order to save a buck. Eventually the bi…

There's also the opposite strategy. Making a cheaper product of lower quality at lower costs. The better quality product loses sales and advantages of mass adoption, and often can go out of business. The lower quality product is now the dominant one in the market. The resellers can freely raise prices now, to match the better products price and greatly increase profits. The public is now stuck with a lower quality product being the only thing available at same price.

Eg. I went to look at dishwashers at Costco, and the thinest of the metal used amazed me. You could bend things with two fingers. I shopped around, and bought some Samsung model, looks space age, but its pretty terrible at actually washing dishes. The marked for Dishwashers optimized for profit, and appearance of being functional. But at this point, I'm pretty convinced a GE dishwasher from the 70s was better.

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