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Do judges give out tougher sentences when hungry? A study too good to be true

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Re: Do judges give out tougher sentences when hungry? A study too good to be true

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As a Muslim, I can say there is something definitely different about Ramadan. It’s supposed to help your spiritual development, so it’s not surprising at all that judges would display more mercy at that time. If anything these two conflicting studies could point to the effect of an intentional spiritual focus, rather than hunger itself.

Or Ramadan could cause judges to hold people to a higher standard of behavior.

That’s not the spirit of Ramadan.

Re: Do judges give out tougher sentences when hungry? A study too good to be true

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Latter Day Saints??? The Mormons? (I get the copyright block message here in the USA)

I looked it up, and it's "content management company" Little Dot Studios, who seem to make money by claiming things on youtube to steal ad money and extort people.

Ugh. I hope the Mormons hit them with a trademark violation!

Re: Do judges give out tougher sentences when hungry? A study too good to be true

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So many comments here claiming to understand the effect of fasting on humans generally through personal experience. Come on, people - your experience is a datum, it's not data, and your entirely subjective conclusions drawn from that datum are not analysis. People's response to fasting varies widely. Hunger is both a physiological and a psychological phenomenon - and like any phenomenon with a psychological component…

There’s no single experience of thinking yet I can say everyone has thoughts. Thoughts about what? _That_ is what varies. The body is similar, it speaks through signals to the brain. The only way to know your body’s voice is by doing. Dismiss your notion that individual experience has no value.

Bodies are quite different, different metabolic rate, different fitness, different in many ways.

I can go an entire day without eating to little ill effect. I knows people who must eat three times a day and if they miss one meal get super cranky.

It’s not dismissing it to point out data vs datum or that people’s bodies vary wildly.

Re: Do judges give out tougher sentences when hungry? A study too good to be true

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There’s no single experience of thinking yet I can say everyone has thoughts. Thoughts about what? _That_ is what varies. The body is similar, it speaks through signals to the brain. The only way to know your body’s voice is by doing. Dismiss your notion that individual experience has no value.

Bodies are quite different, different metabolic rate, different fitness, different in many ways. I can go an entire day without eating to little ill effect. I knows people who must eat three times a day and if they miss one meal get super cranky. It’s not dismissing it to point out data vs datum or that people’s bodies vary wildly.

What I’m saying is that perhaps the “cranky” eater doesn’t even know their body’s voice. Or is angry by simply hearing it.

Another way of putting it: you say you have tried but are you even sure that others have tried? People will say they have experienced but in reality have not.

Re: Do judges give out tougher sentences when hungry? A study too good to be true

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So many comments here claiming to understand the effect of fasting on humans generally through personal experience. Come on, people - your experience is a datum, it's not data, and your entirely subjective conclusions drawn from that datum are not analysis. People's response to fasting varies widely. Hunger is both a physiological and a psychological phenomenon - and like any phenomenon with a psychological component…

Everything is anecdotal before it can become science.

all anecdotes are equal

but some anecdotes are more equal /s

Re: Do judges give out tougher sentences when hungry? A study too good to be true

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I'm a daily faster for the past 20 years, so I can attest (anecdotally) to the benefits of working while hungry. Once you adapt, after a couple weeks, instead of being irritable when hungry, you mind feels clear and focused. After all, despite the trappings of modern society, we are a predator species. Hunger gets shit done. When I was a kid, I recall the teachers always telling us to have a good meal before a test.…

Not my experience. I eat one meal a day and I don't really get work going before that meal (which is usually around noon). It's not even that I feel particularly hungry (unless I ate less than usual yesterday), peak of hunger is usually somewhere before I go asleep, I just feel a bit lethargic. I only get "brain fog" some time after eating a lot of sweet or otherwise easily accessible sugars > Anyway, I'm surprised t…

In uni I would always have an energy drink during my tests, sugar is pure calories and fuel so doesn’t cause food fog

Re: Do judges give out tougher sentences when hungry? A study too good to be true

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No, it’s the absence of a control because there is no control group. You can’t study whether it’s a religiously affiliated behavior unless you have a non-religious fasting control group. It’s called a confounding variable.

It's not confounding variable because this "variable" is actually constant in the entire group; the comparison is not fasting muslims vs non-fasting non-religious judges, but muslim judges with longer vs shorter fast or fasting at different hours

… but the study didn’t do this. Right?

Re: Do judges give out tougher sentences when hungry? A study too good to be true

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This new paper finds 10% higher likelihood to acquit per hour of fasting. That’s huge. Imagine you’re in the criminal’s shoes. The original also found a marked impact of hunger on acquittal rates.

They real story here is that a just system would have no relationship between judge hunger and acquittal rate, and both studies show human judges fall far short of that mark.

Re: Do judges give out tougher sentences when hungry? A study too good to be true

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Modern humans have modern inventions like zero calorie foods. I’ve talked to many who have fasted where their body probably disagreed with that statement.

Zero calorie food is the very definition of an oxymoron. Emphasis on moron. This is on same level of single use clothes

I don’t know if you are disagreeing with me but see: zero calorie sodas and sugars.

Re: Do judges give out tougher sentences when hungry? A study too good to be true

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This new paper finds 10% higher likelihood to acquit per hour of fasting. That’s huge. Imagine you’re in the criminal’s shoes. The original also found a marked impact of hunger on acquittal rates. They real story here is that a just system would have no relationship between judge hunger and acquittal rate, and both studies show human judges fall far short of that mark.

If “just” is absolute, you’re right.

This is a human system, so it will never be perfect. “just” needs to be relative. This isn’t a framework for wholesale ignoring of problems. Rather, an appeal for a degree of grace in our judgments.

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