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Re: Do judges give out tougher sentences when hungry? A study too good to be true

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Post by arunix »

jraby3 wrote: post #17
franciscop wrote: post #16

Interesting bias on the bias: the author of this article seems not to have experienced a prolonged fast themselves, otherwise they'd know this is not true at all: > "longer fasts – and thus, presumably, greater hunger" As anyone who has fasted for probably any reason can tell you, the longer the fast the less hungry you are overall AFTER an initial peak. Meaning, miss a meal and you are hungry, miss two and you becom…

I’ve gone on multiple 3-5 day fasts and disagree (or at least haven’t gotten to this point). My hunger seems to stabilize at very hungry after about two days.

Same here. My hunger plateaued after two days, but didn't go away, just became a bit more bearable. 12 days was the longest fast I've done.

Re: Do judges give out tougher sentences when hungry? A study too good to be true

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Post by gambiting »

I feel like the entire field of psychology is no more valid than homeopathy. Just people coming up with theories why something happens, patting themselves on the back, then the whole thing gets inevitably disproven few years/decades later. And it doesn't have the hallmarks of actual science, where people go ok, our theory was slightly wrong, let's refine it - no, it turns out the entire approaches and assumptions are completely wrong, from top to bottom. How many generations of psychologists have been trained on theories of Freud but now if you suggested any of what he said as true you'd be laughed out of the room?

Re: Do judges give out tougher sentences when hungry? A study too good to be true

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Post by throwaway290 »

jraby3 wrote: post #17
franciscop wrote: post #16

Interesting bias on the bias: the author of this article seems not to have experienced a prolonged fast themselves, otherwise they'd know this is not true at all: > "longer fasts – and thus, presumably, greater hunger" As anyone who has fasted for probably any reason can tell you, the longer the fast the less hungry you are overall AFTER an initial peak. Meaning, miss a meal and you are hungry, miss two and you becom…

I’ve gone on multiple 3-5 day fasts and disagree (or at least haven’t gotten to this point). My hunger seems to stabilize at very hungry after about two days.

Haven't gone 3-5 days but done more than 1 day, hunger paradoxically goes from high to low/none in 24 hours. I can feel weaker but not hungry the way I feel at first.

After adjusting to rare meals I 100% feel better after 8 hours of not eating than when I eat often.

Do you spend physical effort during that time? Eg. exercise, move heavy stuff, intensely walk. (I don't)

Also what do you eat/drink before you fast. If I stop eating without preparing and changing my diet (eg. low carbs) I can get shaky and lightheaded.

Re: Do judges give out tougher sentences when hungry? A study too good to be true

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Post by begemotz »

omgomgomgomg wrote: post #15

Whichever way it goes, justice is supposed to be impartial and blind.

the sooner we admit that 'justice' can never be impartial and blind because humans are not impartial and blind - the sooner we can admit the ways in which this plays out. And ironically, in the end, the closer we come to impartiality.

Re: Do judges give out tougher sentences when hungry? A study too good to be true

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Post by spion »

franciscop wrote: post #16

Interesting bias on the bias: the author of this article seems not to have experienced a prolonged fast themselves, otherwise they'd know this is not true at all: > "longer fasts – and thus, presumably, greater hunger" As anyone who has fasted for probably any reason can tell you, the longer the fast the less hungry you are overall AFTER an initial peak. Meaning, miss a meal and you are hungry, miss two and you becom…

If you look at the replies you'll see the huge variety of responses people have to this, which is absolutely fascinating. I think this might actually be different for different people.

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Post by throwaway290 »

PurpleRamen wrote: post #14
distantaidenn wrote: post #5

I'm a daily faster for the past 20 years, so I can attest (anecdotally) to the benefits of working while hungry. Once you adapt, after a couple weeks, instead of being irritable when hungry, you mind feels clear and focused. After all, despite the trappings of modern society, we are a predator species. Hunger gets shit done. When I was a kid, I recall the teachers always telling us to have a good meal before a test.…

> instead of being irritable when hungry, you mind feels clear and focused. From my experience, it's a delusion. The focus is there for some while, but the actual abilities decline very fast without you even realizing it because of this supposed clearness. It might be even that the clearness comes exactly because of your mind limiting itself to a shorter attention and horizon, removing all the complex and complicated…

From my experience, I think clearest when my body is not busy digesting.

Just as you say my experience is a delusion I can suggest that perhaps your feeling of expanded attention and horizon could be a fallacy caused by your attention in fact becoming more limited as your body diverts blood (and so oxygen) from your brain to your stomach and gut for food processing (which takes hours, so if you eat 3 meals this is basically your entire day).

Re: Do judges give out tougher sentences when hungry? A study too good to be true

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Post by andai »

Retric wrote: post #27
PartiallyTyped wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t feel hunger. If you adapt to a 18:6 or even 20:4 schedule, you don’t feel hunger.

I ate once a day for years. You can easily ignore hunger, but your body/brain isn’t going to preform as well. It’s like being mildly dehydrated or sleep deprived, yes you can still function but no it’s not optimal.

I feel lethargic after eating. I find it hard to concentrate when hungry. I'm only productive in those 1-2 hours between the brain fog wearing off and the next hunger wave coming on.

I tried the meat diet for a few days (yes, I know that's too short! I couldn't get through the "keto flu") and I was blown away by how stable my mood and energy level was after having steak for breakfast. I wouldn't get hungry at all for the next 8-10 hours.

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Post by spirit557 »

andirk wrote: post #22
PurpleRamen wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> instead of being irritable when hungry, you mind feels clear and focused. From my experience, it's a delusion. The focus is there for some while, but the actual abilities decline very fast without you even realizing it because of this supposed clearness. It might be even that the clearness comes exactly because of your mind limiting itself to a shorter attention and horizon, removing all the complex and complicated…

I believe that pushing the body to limits such as fasting, hot/cold baths, intense workout can help us in the longterm. But for when we need our brains to work at its highest potential in the immediate such as software engineering all those things, how is having a hindrance such as hunger anything but a distraction?

Hunger could be a distraction perhaps but being fat adapted means your brain is primarily burning ketones for fuel instead of glucose. Ketones burn cleaner in the brain with less reactive byproducts than glucose. Dementia eases when patients are fasted or given exogenous ketones. Being metabolically healthy and in a fasted state also means you're not distracted from dopamine snack cravings which many confuse with real hunger and I think has a worse effect on mood and cognition. In addiction your frontal lobe fights for control over your lizard brain. Addiction means your lizard brain is winning over self control.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8840718/ "The Implication of Physiological Ketosis on The Cognitive Brain: A Narrative Review"

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33103819/ "A ketogenic drink improves cognition in mild cognitive impairment: Results of a 6-month RCT"

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Post by ShamelessC »

franciscop wrote: post #16

Interesting bias on the bias: the author of this article seems not to have experienced a prolonged fast themselves, otherwise they'd know this is not true at all: > "longer fasts – and thus, presumably, greater hunger" As anyone who has fasted for probably any reason can tell you, the longer the fast the less hungry you are overall AFTER an initial peak. Meaning, miss a meal and you are hungry, miss two and you becom…

All these sibling comments suggest it is 100% you that has the bias. Is it really not conceivable to you that this varies by person?

Re: Do judges give out tougher sentences when hungry? A study too good to be true

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Post by andai »

throwaway290 wrote: post #36
PurpleRamen wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> instead of being irritable when hungry, you mind feels clear and focused. From my experience, it's a delusion. The focus is there for some while, but the actual abilities decline very fast without you even realizing it because of this supposed clearness. It might be even that the clearness comes exactly because of your mind limiting itself to a shorter attention and horizon, removing all the complex and complicated…

From my experience, I think clearest when my body is not busy digesting. Just as you say my experience is a delusion I can suggest that perhaps your feeling of expanded attention and horizon could be a fallacy caused by your attention in fact becoming more limited as your body diverts blood (and so oxygen) from your brain to your stomach and gut for food processing (which takes hours, so if you eat 3 meals this is ba…

One thing I found quite astounding while fasting is how keen my sense of smell is. I normally don't smell much at all, but while fasting I can smell every restaurant in a 2 mile radius.

I guess it's mostly my brain filtering out "irrelevant data" (the location of food becomes relevant when you're hungry!)

That made me wonder if my other senses might be sharper while hungry too. As hunters, I imagine our ability to plan might also benefit.

Has any research been done on the effects of hunger on cognitive performance?

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