My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022) • Hacker News Board

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Post by CoolCold » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 10:41 AM UTC

KronisLV wrote: post #229

LAC-Tech wrote: post #201

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Yes, seriously. I know how to enable something with parameters. if others don't - that's fine. They can learn or they can deal with other operating systems. I really don't care.

> I really don't care. I don't think that this sort of attitude will result in an environment that's encouraging for more people to use Linux distros. A better approach might be going straight into suggesting whatever information helped you in the past. For example, the Arch Wiki typically has useful information on many topics: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Nouveau When dealing with other distros, there can be mor…

> I don't think that this sort of attitude will result in an environment that's encouraging for more people to use Linux distros.

Linux crowd, seems have not made their mind on what they want to reach as a product for end user. Or even do they want to have end user, not another cool kid to hang on with in IRC and dig inside OS. Some say - I wanna Linux be used by everyone! Other say - works for me and I don't care on the rest [of the loosers who cannot read hex dumps, ha ha ha]. Somehow the success of Chromebooks being ignored and not learnt from.

Thus, without clear goal, mission, product vision and focused team of product managers it's kept being amorphous [as I see it]. Definitely something to learn from WSL project made by Microsoft. They found the need - they did it. You may even see it as cathedral vs bazaar issue.

The only distant focused effort I'm aware about is Canonical/Ubuntu here ( I'm not sure on RH/Suse efforts ) - they are working on MDM with Intune, they have at least some telemetry ( not totally blind on real user cases ), they have Pro edition and even cooperated to be the first WSL distro, naturally paying back in brand awareness, common approaches and so on.

Make your mind, Linux.

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Post by CoolCold » Sun, Apr 09, 2023, 4:42 AM UTC

weberer wrote: post #190

wkat4242 wrote: post #107

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Really? Isn't that a thing of the past? In the last 10 years all my updates on Mac and Windows alike have been a matter of clicking OK and waiting 30-60 minutes. On Linux and BSD I've had some more issues at times but that's been more because of my own messing around.

In Ubuntu, there is a setting to have all security updates happen automatically every day in the background without ever having to bother the user. And its been that way for over a decade. You don't have to be alerted, wait, and restart your whole computer for every little thing. I'm surprised how Mac/Windows still never bothered to catch up. The user should not be bothered by trivial maintenance tasks that the OS sh…

> You don't have to be alerted, wait, and restart your whole computer for every little thing. I'm surprised how Mac/Windows still never bothered to catch up.

Cannot comment anything on Mac, have no experience.

On Windows side, your statement is simply waaay overestimated and honestly speaking is not true. Using your words - Hell, it's even can update video/networking drivers _online_, without restart, not even mentioning smaller things like Defender definitions updates.

Those apps installed from Store, do autoupdate without requiring restart as well.

Firefox, shows a tip on update is available and patiently waits, nothing "require an immediate browser restart".

Heck, you can even configure to use devices in your local network to act like caching of downloaded data and to not redownload the same stuff from internet to each workstatation in your network.

You either stuck in the past of WinXP era or producing defamation on purpose.

Coming back to Ubuntu, question regarding

> In Ubuntu, there is a setting to have all security updates happen automatically every day in the background

will it honor you are on metered connection like WiFi hotspot shared from phone?

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Post by medo-bear » Fri, Apr 14, 2023, 2:20 PM UTC

rejectfinite wrote: post #235

sph wrote: post #169

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Do we need this comment parroted every single time someone mentions Linux on this forum? I get it, it's too complicated for you, can we move on instead of rehashing this point over and over again? The past week we have had two major Linux discussions and in each thread there is a semi flame war that starts because some had to voice yet another "this is why Linux is so hard for nan to use", as if it was a novel or con…

>I get it, it's too complicated for you If it is too complicated for a HN reader it is going to be too complicated for 99% of people in the world. Get off your high horse.

i agree. people tend to forget that a whole generation of computer users was breast fed by microsoft well into their 30s