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Ask Wirecutter: Can you recommend a not-smart TV for me?

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Yes, going to take care of that. Thanks for the heads up. I really looked that one over...didn't think too much of it as the domain was available. It's hard to do anything the easy way nowadays!

Might I recommend DUMBY?

Dumbox

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I actually turned off HDR as soon as I got an HDR-capable TV, because it's apparently code for "eye-searingly-bright whites, including in the Apple TV interface itself." I don't understand who wants this. Maybe I'm a vampire?

Same boat as you. To me HDR is ok if I use the TV in a dark room but otherwise I lose most of the detail as the extremes.

Doesn’t sound like actual HDR, to be fair, check your system with an outside body

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That would be great. My main issue with smart TVs isn't the network connectivity, its their horrible UI. The menus are universally confusing, slow and poorly thought-out. And because these TVs have to have some complicated OS to run all this stuff, they're slow to start up. My AppleTV goes from standby to on faster than my circa 2008[1] (only kinda smart) TV and receiver are ready to display an image. The AppleTV sho…

I'm still looking for a monitor that can switch between inputs within 50ms. Should be possible, no?

A video mixer a-la Blackmagic ATEM Mini will do this. Maybe there are cheaper options if it's just being used for input switching.

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Are there any open source TV firmware projects? In theory, I don't mind smart TV features, I just don't trust most companies with my data, and getting the interface right is hard.

There used to be (still exist) projects like Samygo:

https://www.samygo.tv/

and openlgtv:

https://openlgtv.github.io/

but AFAIK due to their complexity and the continuous changes/updates/releases by the TV manufacturers they tend to be outdated or however compatible only with relatively old models.

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Is there any chance whatsoever that you can use open source software/firmware for it? I am not in the market for a TV and I am only a hobbyist with a tendency to spend more than I should on anything that lets me open the hood and tinker with it. If there is any consumer electronics company that wants to be the anti-Apple, I'd support it in any possible way. Seriously, I even wonder if there could be some type of "Pat…

I’m not a licensing expert but my general vision is that if we can get assistance from community firmware designers, I’d be more than willing to champion this initiative. Would love to create an evaluation board that others could utilize around come up with their own interpretation of a perfect display.

Look, every TV UI is slow. But how can games have responsive UI on 8-bit hardware? People are doing things wrong. You have a real chance here of having a UI which is instant.

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Is there any chance whatsoever that you can use open source software/firmware for it? I am not in the market for a TV and I am only a hobbyist with a tendency to spend more than I should on anything that lets me open the hood and tinker with it. If there is any consumer electronics company that wants to be the anti-Apple, I'd support it in any possible way. Seriously, I even wonder if there could be some type of "Pat…

I’m not a licensing expert but my general vision is that if we can get assistance from community firmware designers, I’d be more than willing to champion this initiative. Would love to create an evaluation board that others could utilize around come up with their own interpretation of a perfect display.

Both varied control and power options are really valuable. Power is easy: if it's DC in with a separate brick, please use a common connector :). If it has an integrated power block with an AC input, an alternate DC input would be very nice.

For control… it's really a question of balance. "all the things" sure would be nice, but with a mid 4-digit price I think putting a small fully-open Linux embedded board inside would be awesome. Some existing SBC or SoM is preferable over rolling your own, the latter would just splinter off a separate community for no good reason. Also make sure the embedded system has full control over all functions (there should be enough GPIO & I²C…) and has its own power control. Having it able to actually drive the TV display would be nice (and easy these days) but isn't even the point :).

If you don't stick that in, how about a slot/connector for a Raspberry Pi compute module — or some other reasonably sourceable similar module?

Barring that, RS-232 for control is a bit dated, I'd really expect both an USB device port (control in) and an USB power output, ideally USB-C PD capable, to run some small system off. If you have the pins & functions, please spend the extra $5 and wire up leftover "random" interfaces, e.g. CAN or RS-485. Ethernet without adding a full SBC is kinda "meh", putting together some embedded OS with networking is significant effort for very little return.

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This is a big concern for the elderly. They have major challenges dealing with "smart" TVs and smart phones – due to complicated interfaces that are difficult to operate, hard to read, hard to interact with , slow to respond do. I see a huge business opportunity selling simplified consumer devices to the elderly. I'm surprised CES hasn't yet created a specific category or certification for elderly-friendly devices.

These products exist to some extent, but they don't seem very successful. The "elderly" today could be people who may have been using smartphones for 20 years, and wrote the foundational parts of all the software we use today. Soon enough you will be more likely to find someone who can debug a C program in a retirement community than an MIT classroom.

It is not only about understanding what the stupid TV asks for.

My mom (94 this year) has an iPad since more than ten years (she uses it for basic things, news, e-mail, facebook) and a smartphone (again using it only for basic things, like, you know, making phone calls) and never had any (major) problems with them.

Last december we had to change her TV (here in Italy they are switching to a new HD broadcasting standard that her - only a few years old BTW - set is not compatible with) and all suitable TV's I could find were "smart" (there are a few requisites like having an audio output - 3.5 mm jack - to connect her hearing aids repeaters).

Even setting it with "no connection" (there isn't even the Wi-Fi at her house) and turning off all "smart" or "advanced" features, the stupid tv from time to time likes to randomly display a prompt for this or that action needed, but (due to relatively poor vision) she cannot read them unless she stands up and gets nearer.

It is an inconvenience.

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