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Perennial rice: Plant once, harvest again and again

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Re: Perennial rice: Plant once, harvest again and again

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There are a surprising number of perennial food plants. Not just bushes and trees; vegetable crops too! I recently saw a Gardeners' World episode which showcased a lady with 220+ perennial vegetables in her garden. Including a variety of broccoli, and one of chard! A surprise to me.

A benefit to her is, she could have all that without dealing with every plant, every year. But she had plenty of rain and land. Not everybody would find that solution beneficial.

Re: Perennial rice: Plant once, harvest again and again

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The aviation sector is about 2%. Sounds like another premature optimization problem, as applied to climate change. “Premature optimization is the root of all evil“ https://wiki.c2.com/?PrematureOptimization= What about coal? What about coal?

Why do people keep pretending that we can only focus on one industry at a time? News flash: WE CAN ADDRESS MORE THAN ONE AT A TIME. What about coal? You tell me, what part of fixing rice production interferes with shutting down coal mining? Because as far as anyone can tell, the answer is not a single part.

As a devil's advocate (I too believe we can make simultaneous changes), what about the concept of "don't change more than one thing" during testing so you know exactly what change had what effect? What if we stop using coal and change agriculture only to find out that the effect was/is too much? To find out that the changes to agriculture caused side effects elsewhere. Mashing all the buttons at once rarely plays out as the correct method.

Re: Perennial rice: Plant once, harvest again and again

#133

(disclaimer that I manage a climate group, but not a rice expert) They touch on, but don't get into the details on one of the more interesting aspects of perennial rice. Rice fields are actually a huge emitter of methane. Depending on the accounting, they contribute as much to global warming as the aviation sector. The fields emit methane when flooded, the stagnant water gets oxygen depleted, and the biomass in the s…

This is a bit overblown. The methane being emitted is sourced originally from atmospheric CO2 via photosynthesis, and while there is some anaerobic production of methane in rice paddies, the methane gets converted back to CO2 in the atmosphere with a half-life of 10-20 years IIRC.

This is fundamentally different from natural gas emissions, in which carbon atoms are being transferred from stable geological reservoirs into the atmosphere, where they increase the CO2 levels after the methane is oxidized.

There are also other risks to switching to this cultivation method:

> "Researchers note potential risks. Because PR23 enables farmers to till less, fungi and other pathogens can build up in the fields. Insects can persist in the stubble after harvest, because it’s not plowed under, then transmit viruses when they feed on the regenerating sprouts in the spring. And without tilling, weeds can flourish; the researchers found that fields with PR23 needed one to two more herbicide treatments than regular rice. They also note that it’s more work to resow the perennial rice when its yield falters, because its larger and deeper roots need to be killed."

https://www.science.org/content/article/perennial-rice-saves...

Re: Perennial rice: Plant once, harvest again and again

#134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, rice also provides ~20% of global caloric needs, so this isn’t necessarily an outsized contribution.

To put this into context, animal agriculture is responsible for 18% of the worlds CO2 emissions, uses 83% of the world's farmland, but only produces 18% of our calories and 37% of our protein.

What % of farmland used for meat production is actually usable for something else? I don't think cattle grazes on prime land, or even mildly productive land.

Re: Perennial rice: Plant once, harvest again and again

#135

There are a surprising number of perennial food plants. Not just bushes and trees; vegetable crops too! I recently saw a Gardeners' World episode which showcased a lady with 220+ perennial vegetables in her garden. Including a variety of broccoli, and one of chard! A surprise to me. A benefit to her is, she could have all that without dealing with every plant, every year. But she had plenty of rain and land. Not ever…

Well-designed food forests and agroforestry systems can exceed the calorie production per acre of heavily mechanized and fertilized annual crops like corn, while providing tons more actual nutrition and additional services like wood, good quality soil, etc. with little or no fossil-fuel-based inputs. Check out i.e. Mark Shepard (New Forest Farm) and Martin Crawford (Agroforestry Research Trust) for examples.

Re: Perennial rice: Plant once, harvest again and again

#136

(disclaimer that I manage a climate group, but not a rice expert) They touch on, but don't get into the details on one of the more interesting aspects of perennial rice. Rice fields are actually a huge emitter of methane. Depending on the accounting, they contribute as much to global warming as the aviation sector. The fields emit methane when flooded, the stagnant water gets oxygen depleted, and the biomass in the s…

This is a bit overblown. The methane being emitted is sourced originally from atmospheric CO2 via photosynthesis, and while there is some anaerobic production of methane in rice paddies, the methane gets converted back to CO2 in the atmosphere with a half-life of 10-20 years IIRC. This is fundamentally different from natural gas emissions, in which carbon atoms are being transferred from stable geological reservoirs…

> and while there is some anaerobic production of methane in rice paddies, the methane gets converted back to CO2 in the atmosphere with a half-life of 10-20 years IIRC.

Methane is a far, far worse greenhouse gas than CO2, even accounting for the fact that it eventually decays back to CO2.

Re: Perennial rice: Plant once, harvest again and again

#137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, rice also provides ~20% of global caloric needs, so this isn’t necessarily an outsized contribution.

To put this into context, animal agriculture is responsible for 18% of the worlds CO2 emissions, uses 83% of the world's farmland, but only produces 18% of our calories and 37% of our protein.

A lot of grazing is done on marginal farming land. For example land that is very dry or land that is very steep. So generally a statistic like 83% of the world's farmland doesn't make any sense.

Not sure if it is possible to count factory farming properly- that takes really good farmland and sends the production to animals.

Re: Perennial rice: Plant once, harvest again and again

#138

(disclaimer that I manage a climate group, but not a rice expert) They touch on, but don't get into the details on one of the more interesting aspects of perennial rice. Rice fields are actually a huge emitter of methane. Depending on the accounting, they contribute as much to global warming as the aviation sector. The fields emit methane when flooded, the stagnant water gets oxygen depleted, and the biomass in the s…

This is a bit overblown. The methane being emitted is sourced originally from atmospheric CO2 via photosynthesis, and while there is some anaerobic production of methane in rice paddies, the methane gets converted back to CO2 in the atmosphere with a half-life of 10-20 years IIRC. This is fundamentally different from natural gas emissions, in which carbon atoms are being transferred from stable geological reservoirs…

Atmospheric methane has a half-life of about 10 years and is well over 10x as greenhouse effecting as CO2. Converting atmospheric CO2 to atmospheric methane is less bad than releasing sequestered methane into the atmosphere but still terrible.

Re: Perennial rice: Plant once, harvest again and again

#139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, rice also provides ~20% of global caloric needs, so this isn’t necessarily an outsized contribution.

To put this into context, animal agriculture is responsible for 18% of the worlds CO2 emissions, uses 83% of the world's farmland, but only produces 18% of our calories and 37% of our protein.

I really wish there was a name (that I knew of) for this logical fallacy of using precise quantities of meaninglessly confused categories. What do you think "farmland" is ? Our ancestors who knew how to raise cattle and farm cereals for millennia were surviving on the verge of starvation : why do you think that was ? Were they so dumb they'd rather die of hunger than convert some of their grazing pastures to cereal agriculture ? Or some "farmland" can be used for grazing but not for agriculture, maybe ? Same for proteins : all amino acids are not equal, a a pound of soy protein won't have the same effect on your body as a pound of meat proteins. And don't get me started on nutrients and their bio availability (e.g. iron and B12). As far as CO₂ emissions from cattle, where do your think the C comes from ? The grass/food that cattle eat, what would happen to it if let to decompose ?

Re: Perennial rice: Plant once, harvest again and again

#140
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The aviation sector is about 2%. Sounds like another premature optimization problem, as applied to climate change. “Premature optimization is the root of all evil“ https://wiki.c2.com/?PrematureOptimization= What about coal? What about coal?

I litter frequently. Some people criticize me for it, but I rightly point out that my own litter is a tiny fraction of city-wide litter, and if I stopped, no one would even notice the difference. I'm not even the biggest contributor! Mechanized recycling trucks hoist the bins high in the air and let stuff fall into a hopper on the back, and on a windy day, every single bin they pick up produces a few pieces of litter…

I have mixed feelings about this comment. It's good satire. But that's something I expect on reddit. Over here, it seems like we're running afoul of the forum norms, and Poe's Law.
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