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The 'Startup Boom' is a disguised jobs fair for big corporations

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Re: The 'Startup Boom' is a disguised jobs fair for big corporations

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I think the truth might actually be worse. I don't think that `the startup boom is really a disguised job fair for big corporations`. The dirty little secret is that startup scene is an arena and entrepreneurs are the gladiators. Big lumps of money, that seem imaginary to them are dangled in front of their eyes, and they're introduced to former gladiators that have attained fame and glory and were able to buy their freedom, all for the purpose of encouraging the gladiators to fight to the death. Some die and some succeed and are compensated nicely. Very few attain fame and glory, but enough to keep the ranks of new recruits full.

But of course, it's the owners of the arena, the big corporations who make the real money. Not necessarily from the gladiators themselves, but from the fight. The startup scene is a testing ground, a lab, for Big Corp. It tells them which way the market is going, it tests risky territory. And if something seems to work, Big Corp. snatches it right up. If in the past big research divisions had to test new ground, all on the company's dime, now startups are voluntary crash-test dummies, shooting for a big prize.

And the economics are simple: if the king wants to find a big treasure buried somewhere in the woods he could pay a thousand villagers $1000 each to look for it, or he could offer $0.5M to the one who finds it and let the villagers volunteer for the job. He gets the same work done at half the cost, one villager turns rich and inspires the poor masses, getting a lot of love and attention, while the king still gets to keep the treasure while giving the villagers a fake hope of changing their fate. Simple, really.

So the dirty big secret is this: the startup scene isn't a job recruiter for the big companies, but a way to get workers for free. It's a far worse form of exploitation.

Sorry for all the metaphors.

Re: The 'Startup Boom' is a disguised jobs fair for big corporations

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> A giant Internet company such as Amazon can leverage the output of a software engineer far more efficiently than a startup Really? I doubt that. I would imagine software engineers could be much more efficient without the drag of a large company

On some things yes, on other things no. It depends mostly on whether the engineer is doing anything that benefits from significant infrastructure and an existing customer base. If you need (or could significantly benefit from) either of those, you might have more impact at Google or Amazon. For example, a data-mining idea might pan out better if you have: 1) google-sized server farms; and 2) a local mirror of the entire internet that you can run queries over.

Re: The 'Startup Boom' is a disguised jobs fair for big corporations

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This would be a very penetratingly insightful criticism if you had never heard of Airbnb, Dropbox, Twilio, etc etc. Some people at the current classes of YC and 500 Startups may well find themselves working for AmaGooBookSoft in 4 years, and may that be a happy outcome for all concerned, but you've got to torture the math to come to the conclusion that hiring acquisitions are where most of the money is changing hands…

The real question, I think, is when investors are figuring out whether to go into the startup scene, what are the dominant influences on their decision?

If there's a long tail of Airbnbs that drives most of the expected profits generated by an investment strategy, then the status quo understanding of things--buy a bunch of lotto tickets, and make a bundle when one hits the jackpot--is probably an accurate representation of the market strategy.

If the median investor isn't going to make any money from getting a big hit, though, it's a different story. Most value is going to come from talent acquisitions. In which case, the article is right, and the incredible sea of funding available today is effectively a pooled set of resources by big corporations that are funneled to VCs in exchange for recruitment and building of effective teams. Which would make VCs the best-compensated HR managers in history.

There's also no reason both can't be true. Maybe the majority of profits are generated by Dropboxes, but the typical VC understands that those are lotto tickets and is relying mostly on the latter scenario.

Re: The 'Startup Boom' is a disguised jobs fair for big corporations

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Investors are often bothered by talent acquisitions since they get small returns when they're hoping for big winners. So that article's claim is probably false. However, I wondered why it was worthwhile for the big companies to acquire for talent, since they're paying a lot more than standard salaries for people who might leave after 2 years. The article claims they don't want the status quo disrupted, but that doesn…

It is worthwhile for big companies to acquire talent because of the way investors in the public market value the stock of large companies. Investors don't care much about a few million spent on acquisition that happened 2 months before they get the earnings report. They care far more about future growth and how the company will achieve it.

Re: The 'Startup Boom' is a disguised jobs fair for big corporations

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post #9

This would be a very penetratingly insightful criticism if you had never heard of Airbnb, Dropbox, Twilio, etc etc. Some people at the current classes of YC and 500 Startups may well find themselves working for AmaGooBookSoft in 4 years, and may that be a happy outcome for all concerned, but you've got to torture the math to come to the conclusion that hiring acquisitions are where most of the money is changing hands…

Agreed. He should have read PG's YC Numbers [1]. The overwhelming majority of value in YC's portfolio comes from the top 10% all of which have likely turned down numerous acquisition offers. YC would much rather an IPO or late stage acquisition vs. acqui-hire liquidity event.

[1] http://ycombinator.com/nums.html

Re: The 'Startup Boom' is a disguised jobs fair for big corporations

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post #9

This would be a very penetratingly insightful criticism if you had never heard of Airbnb, Dropbox, Twilio, etc etc. Some people at the current classes of YC and 500 Startups may well find themselves working for AmaGooBookSoft in 4 years, and may that be a happy outcome for all concerned, but you've got to torture the math to come to the conclusion that hiring acquisitions are where most of the money is changing hands…

"you've got to torture the math to come to the conclusion that hiring acquisitions are where most of the money is changing hands."

Wait...what? You're cherry-picking the top 10% of startups (maybe the top 1%), and criticizing this guy for torturing math? For every one Dropbox, there are perhaps a handful of others that get aqui-hired, and dozens more that just fail silently. That's just basic VC economics. Maybe the bulk of the money gets transferred to the success stories, but that's little comfort to the hundreds of pretenders to the throne who don't go anywhere.

TeachStreet is a perfect example -- I met Schappell a startup breakfast in Seattle shortly after he launched the site. At that same breakfast were at least a dozen other startup founders. I've followed many of them since then, and nearly all have given up (in fact, one of those founders now works at TeachStreet). Schappell made it to acquisition by a company for which he used to be a director. There are usually reasons that these things happen.

Re: The 'Startup Boom' is a disguised jobs fair for big corporations

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But that's not the point! Whether or not the author is right about the facts in this case, successful exploitation always benefits everyone; it's still unjust. If you're used to making, say $30K a year, and I give you $90K to work for me and generate a profit, of, say, $100M, then everybody is happy but you were still exploited. The big question is whether its considered exploitation if the exploitee does not feel exploited. I think many people would say yes. Many would even agree that truly successful exploitation not only hides itself from the exploited, but makes him feel content and even empowered. Pragmatists would say that a happy exploitee with some bucks in his pocket is better than a miserable pauper. Idealists would say the opposite. But any way you look at it, this is not a simple situation by any means.

Re: The 'Startup Boom' is a disguised jobs fair for big corporations

#50

This is one of the most ignorant, poorly written articles I've ever seen on Hacker News. it doesn't belong here.

I didn't read the article, but...the intelligent discussion around it meant that I didn't have to waste my time reading what sounds like a lousy article. Had I found this article on my own, I would have both had to suffer through the article and been deprived the intelligent teardown of it we get here. That alone makes me glad it was submitted. (Only half kidding here.)
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