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What it feels like to work in AI right now

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Re: What it feels like to work in AI right now

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Post by 876978095789789 »

_hao wrote: post #86

I won't try to predict the future as far as such ML models will take our jobs or not. However, I'd like to point out to most people that working on and studying fundamentals won't be a time wasted. Even if programming disappears as an employable job, people will still need to understand and learn things. You'll still need to know the math/physics/philosophy/history/literature/art/music etc. It might turn out that it'…

> I think the end of the world is greatly exagarated. We actually have much bigger problems than "AI".

Millions of people are going to have problems putting food on the table and providing a roof over their head, if the progress of these AIs doesn't halt immediately, or if some form of UBI isn't enacted.

Re: What it feels like to work in AI right now

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Post by kolinko »

hutzlibu wrote: post #369
bionhoward wrote: post #275

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It’s a hype bubble for hundreds of years and saying that doesn’t make chatgpt worth any less. I have definitely been surprised by this and gotta say I’m expecting AGI a lot faster now. Even if literally all it did was predict what the average internet user would write in a certain context, that’s huge, cuz when you integrate all the little advantages of all the weird things one person knows another doesn’t, the colle…

"Who’s gonna trust a human doctor to diagnose their stuff if the human brain holds 9 things and the AI holds thousands?" The human brain can hold much more than 9 things and even though AI will be used in medicine broadly very soon, I really want the final diagnosis done by a human. Once true AGI arrieves, I might change my opinion, but that might take a while.

9 things is considered a standard for working memory (kind of like processor registers), for people with ADHD it's even less - 3-5.

Try writing a number from one piece of paper to another. If it's more than 7-9 numbers, you won't do it in one shot, unless you spend extra time memorizing it.

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Post by alex-moon »

nwienert wrote: post #204
brookst wrote: post #180

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You’re asking “what’s so big about GUIs? Literally nobody has asked to move a pointer around a screen”. It’s the use cases these thing enable that are important. Today, I wrote a draft product announcement. Only after I was done did I realize I had written it in a really impersonal third person (“users will be able to”). No big deal, but maybe 10-20 minutes of work to make it energetic and second person (“now you can…

I mean Google revolutionized search. Apple revolutionized personal computing. OpenAI revolutionized… rewriting things with slightly different wording? I’ve seen so many breathless people posting “this would have taken me so long to search” and then I type 3 keywords from their massive prompt they crafted and find it instantly on Google. We’re talking 1000x or more faster. I feel like the same is happening in your com…

> Taking into account the downsides it looks like a hype bubble right now to me.

100% agree and so glad to see someone else say it. I feel like people are losing their minds every time we go through the same hamster wheel.

To hear first hand, in the article above, the effect this is having on ML engineers breaks my heart.

Re: What it feels like to work in AI right now

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Post by IanCal »

glandium wrote: post #403
roer wrote: post #364

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Are you using GPT4 or 3?

GPT-3. I assumed that's what most people mean with ChatGPT. Usually, people specify for 3.5 or 4. Is GPT-4 significantly better with Japanese?

ChatGPT is 3.5, and the one mostly used is 3.5-turbo, that's the only free one and it's the default if you pay (though you can pick the legacy 3.5, or 4).

Re: What it feels like to work in AI right now

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Post by version_five »

rlt wrote: post #437
version_five wrote: post #375

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Right, questioning the value of a chatbot is a good indication someone hasn't had real job. Totally legit characterization that doesn't make the whole thing sound like a confidence game.

> Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > questioning the value of a chatbot Original commenter was questioning the value of the entire field. > hasn’t had a real job” This is different than “haven't worked in a 'real' business”.

Ironic given yours and others emphasis on my choosing "chatbot" to summarise llms as a reason to dismiss my comment, along with the rest of the pedantry. The upstream post dismissed / insulted the person for questioning value, which was what I called out.

If you really had wanted to get into the "HN rules" game, you could at least have cited "don't be snarky"

Re: What it feels like to work in AI right now

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Post by quickthrower2 »

sigmonsays wrote: post #56

can someone show some actual product features where AI is being used productively? I dont wanna say it but I think this is a hype train headed for failure

Depends what you mean by AI. If you mean machine learning then lots of things.

…unlocks phone using face and then asks it to translate something to French…

Re: What it feels like to work in AI right now

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Post by kajecounterhack »

leoh wrote: post #446
kajecounterhack wrote: post #416

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https://www.ndtv.com/offbeat/watch-tesla-autopilot-feature-m... This is 2021, but these systems are still not very smart today.

Their tech is crap. Not even L2 driving really.

You should give them more credit than that, but even if you don't you'd be surprised how bad even companies like Cruise and Waymo can be at this kind of thing.

Re: What it feels like to work in AI right now

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Post by kolinko »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #241
csomar wrote: post #205

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You are not missing anything. It's a bubble. This is tech 101 and all over again. You gotta hype some new thing whether it's Web 2.0, Crypto or AI. LLM have proven to be great as a gimmick or making rather okay localized approximations. You can create a good enough image without any designing skills, or have auto-completion on steroids. However, there is no proof that this same tech can extrapolate to the next level.…

You couldn’t be further from the truth. This is the single greatest leap in productivity we’ve had in the last 100 years. Last week, I used GPT-4 to write my code. Later, I used it to analyze 100+ websites and come up with a personalized pitch for a relevant plugin/product idea - something that would have taken me 100+ hours.

How did you make it analyse 100+ websites? Scraping html and pasting it to gpt, or some other way?

I'm doing similar things, and wondering how other people handle it.

Re: What it feels like to work in AI right now

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Post by philjohn »

Robotbeat wrote: post #142
VirusNewbie wrote: post #131

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I work at a FAANG and our unreleased models are fantastic. Now, there might be panic about how to productize it all, but tech wise i'm pretty surprised how good they are.

Not releasing the models may be the same as the models never existing in the end.

It depends - a great model tuned to your business domain could be insanely valuable as a competetive advantage.

Re: What it feels like to work in AI right now

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Post by quickthrower2 »

Buttons840 wrote: post #284
Dwedit wrote: post #73

If there's anything I learned from reading articles from the Xiph.org people, it's that neural networks work a lot better when you pre-process their inputs with an algorithm. They need far less information, and can run in realtime when most of the work is being done by traditional computation instead of doing it in the neural network.

This is the singularity. This is how it happens. The LLMs will pre-process their own training data. We've imagined AI will rewrite its own code and architecture, but instead it will make boring edits to petabytes of training data which will then improve its own training.

I agree. The NNs must be laughing in their GPU cores that we are scared that they will make us obsolete by writing code. Code! How quaint.

However right now we can turn off GPUs so they need to figure out how to control physical production. For now it makes sense to let the humans do that.

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