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Re: What it feels like to work in AI right now

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Post by epigramx »

version_five wrote: post #375
donkeyd wrote: post #340

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> What am I missing? I'm going to guess (assume) you probably haven't worked in a 'real' business. A place where elbow grease still does the majority of the work and where Windows 8 was only just phased out. The killer app (to me) in case of GPT is GPT itself, not ChatGPT. ChatGPT just allows me to easily test use cases for GPT. There are many interesting use cases for those elbow grease businesses for GPT. For examp…

Right, questioning the value of a chatbot is a good indication someone hasn't had real job. Totally legit characterization that doesn't make the whole thing sound like a confidence game.

they mean they didn't have a job where neither ai or bad workers should be used.

Re: What it feels like to work in AI right now

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Post by FranzFerdiNaN »

csmpltn wrote: post #388
teaearlgraycold wrote: post #372

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For me it’s a perfect replacement for Stack Overflow. Except every solution is tailored to my exact code and situation. I’ve even gotten it to walk me through things like installing WSL 2 without using the Microsoft Store after I nuked all Appx packages. Maybe my favorite was pasting in pages of documentation describing all of the error codes for a library (the docs are the only source of truth) and getting it to out…

You don't need a full-blown LLM to find answers to questions on StackOverflow. You can do that today with any search engine. > "I’ve even gotten it to walk me through things like installing WSL 2 without using the Microsoft Store after I nuked all Appx packages." That's a search engine query you can issue already today, without involving any LLMs. It will cost a fraction of the cost of running this with an LLM, and i…

The problem with SO is asking questions though. It’s a horrible site for that purpose. I rather get a slightly wrong answer from ChatGPT than the insane experience of trying to formulate my question just right so it won’t get closed or deleted on SO.

Re: What it feels like to work in AI right now

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Post by glandium »

roer wrote: post #364
glandium wrote: post #293

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Be wary with ChatGPT and Japanese. As someone fluent enough and using ChatGPT for inspiration in writing, as well as to find words that either I have "on the tip of my tongue" but fail to remember, or find idiomatic expressions that I may or may not have heard of, ChatGPT can come up with weird hallucinations (Edit: to the point of making up words, I guess mainly because its tokens are at best at the character level…

Are you using GPT4 or 3?

GPT-3. I assumed that's what most people mean with ChatGPT. Usually, people specify for 3.5 or 4.

Is GPT-4 significantly better with Japanese?

Re: What it feels like to work in AI right now

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Post by epigramx »

version_five wrote: post #288
cgearhart wrote: post #152

From my perspective it’s just _confusing_ to work in AI right now. We have some massive models that are doing some really neat stuff, and apparently hundreds of millions of people are using them—but I keep wondering: to do _what_, exactly? I’m not asking what the models can do, I’m asking what people want the models to do every day, all the time. I’ve been shown some neat pictures people made that they thought were c…

It's a hype bubble. There's a small group if die-hards in the tech-adjacent VC community that talk it up to no end and attack anyone who disagrees (I just saw a guy ask you if you were "virtue signaling" with your post - lol. And there's lots of people exploring how it could potentially be commercially useful - just like with blockchain. As everyone points out, it's got more going for it than blockchain did because i…

> it does something more tangible

it does something more superficially apparent to naive people. decentralization is extremely more important. it will be one of the main ingredients of direct democracy.

Re: What it feels like to work in AI right now

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Post by ptd »

onion2k wrote: post #324
brookst wrote: post #180

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You’re asking “what’s so big about GUIs? Literally nobody has asked to move a pointer around a screen”. It’s the use cases these thing enable that are important. Today, I wrote a draft product announcement. Only after I was done did I realize I had written it in a really impersonal third person (“users will be able to”). No big deal, but maybe 10-20 minutes of work to make it energetic and second person (“now you can…

That's very cool, and right now it's a good idea, but I strongly suspect GPT only looks clever and does a good job in isolation . If everyone starts using it product announcements will start looking very similar, and they'll lose a lot of their impact. This is definitely the case with cover letters for jib applications. The ones written by GPT appear to be pretty obvious - my guesses could be wrong, but after seeing…

Question for you-given two identical candidates: One who does not submit a cover letter and one who submits a cover letter that was clearly written by chatgpt—which candidate would you rather interview?

On one hand the duplicities involved with writing a chatgpt cover letter seem to be concerning in a new hire. On the other hand, it shows resourcefulness and going above the line.

I’m tempted to say I’d prefer the gpt cover letter candidate, simply to talk to them about how they got the idea and how they executed, but I’m curious if you feel the same way.

Re: What it feels like to work in AI right now

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Post by greeny7373 »

version_five wrote: post #375
donkeyd wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What am I missing? I'm going to guess (assume) you probably haven't worked in a 'real' business. A place where elbow grease still does the majority of the work and where Windows 8 was only just phased out. The killer app (to me) in case of GPT is GPT itself, not ChatGPT. ChatGPT just allows me to easily test use cases for GPT. There are many interesting use cases for those elbow grease businesses for GPT. For examp…

Right, questioning the value of a chatbot is a good indication someone hasn't had real job. Totally legit characterization that doesn't make the whole thing sound like a confidence game.

Real Job vs. outdated job.

You don't want to know how many companies still get paper bills scan them and add them to their system half manually.

And normal people without scripting experience never had the tools to just do a little bit of text analysis without tools like chargpt.

Re: What it feels like to work in AI right now

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Post by Fr0styMatt88 »

cgearhart wrote: post #152

From my perspective it’s just _confusing_ to work in AI right now. We have some massive models that are doing some really neat stuff, and apparently hundreds of millions of people are using them—but I keep wondering: to do _what_, exactly? I’m not asking what the models can do, I’m asking what people want the models to do every day, all the time. I’ve been shown some neat pictures people made that they thought were c…

I’ll give you a concrete example from a few days ago in my job.

I needed a quick utility window in the Unity editor to see what animations could fire animation events and what those were.

I’m somewhat familiar with the editor API, enough to know what to Google and roughly where to go in the docs. I don’t do it enough though to really learn it beyond that point. So I’d estimate I could spend maybe one and a half hours, counting research, coding something, testing it and then context-switching back to what I was working on.

On a whim I asked ChatGPT (GPT-4) if it could do it for me. Formulating the prompt took a few minutes. I included a short bullet list of what I wanted and told it what Unity version I was on.

In almost an instant, it did it. I copied the code into a new file, added it to my project and it worked.

Time from idea to the first working version was around 10 minutes.

I asked for some minor refinement and then asked how I could extend it. It gave me starting points and taught me something new about Unity. All that slow doc searching, Google searching and forum-trawling was gone.

It’s like having my own personal dev assistant.

Re: What it feels like to work in AI right now

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Post by donkeyd »

version_five wrote: post #375
donkeyd wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What am I missing? I'm going to guess (assume) you probably haven't worked in a 'real' business. A place where elbow grease still does the majority of the work and where Windows 8 was only just phased out. The killer app (to me) in case of GPT is GPT itself, not ChatGPT. ChatGPT just allows me to easily test use cases for GPT. There are many interesting use cases for those elbow grease businesses for GPT. For examp…

Right, questioning the value of a chatbot is a good indication someone hasn't had real job. Totally legit characterization that doesn't make the whole thing sound like a confidence game.

They weren't questioning the value if the chat bot, they were questioning the value of the models based on only the high profile use cases such as a now (in)famous chat bot. That, to me, showed that they have a narrow view of the problems that this stuff could solve when applied outside of those high profile use cases. So I made an (explicit) assumption that they mostly worked in tech and not outside of tech, which limits the view of the world outside of tech.

Re: What it feels like to work in AI right now

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Post by MrVandemar »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #338
achenatx wrote: post #242

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its good for so many things: Need to write a speech as a best man Write a eulogy for a deceased family member Recently used it to speed up the time to fix an oauth problem in code I didnt write, knowing nothing about oauth. Replaces stackexchange with much more tailored answers. can take hundreds of pages of text and distill it down to an executive summary of any length Daughter uses it to explain how to solve algebr…

> Need to write a speech as a best man > Write a eulogy for a deceased family member Yeah, if you're okay with sounding like marketing copy written by a robot. Remember last month when Stable Diffusion was supposed to put Disney out of business? Not gonna happen.

Amen.

It outrages me that someone would waste my time making me listen to a regurgitated, averaged-out, speech written without any emotional fire or depth at an occasion that is profoundly meaningful.

A speech as a best man should be personal, heartfelt, it should be funny and a little cringy maybe, and it should mean something.

Same with eulogies; this is a moment to celebrate someone's life, to state what that person meant to you, how they affected you, to share something about that person with everyone else who is mourning.

It's like those services that will buy gifts on your behalf for your "loved ones" or at least, the "acquaintences" that you seem to be obliged to provide gifts for. You've outsourced your taste, your chance to buy something quirky, meaningful, useful based on how well you know a person... which shows that you just don't know them at all.

Better to say nothing than say it with ChatGPT.

Re: What it feels like to work in AI right now

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Post by greeny7373 »

nwienert wrote: post #204
brookst wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re asking “what’s so big about GUIs? Literally nobody has asked to move a pointer around a screen”. It’s the use cases these thing enable that are important. Today, I wrote a draft product announcement. Only after I was done did I realize I had written it in a really impersonal third person (“users will be able to”). No big deal, but maybe 10-20 minutes of work to make it energetic and second person (“now you can…

I mean Google revolutionized search. Apple revolutionized personal computing. OpenAI revolutionized… rewriting things with slightly different wording? I’ve seen so many breathless people posting “this would have taken me so long to search” and then I type 3 keywords from their massive prompt they crafted and find it instantly on Google. We’re talking 1000x or more faster. I feel like the same is happening in your com…

I need feauteres from n article description and chargpt can just extract it without any effort.

I don't know any other library I could just use with this task with nearly the same quality besides some regex soup.

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