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Re: Website hosted on a 24 year old Linux server

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Post by kristopolous »

kristopolous wrote: post #88
seba_dos1 wrote: post #3

Except it's not, not really - it's hosted by Cloudflare which even requires you to enable JavaScript to pass.

I've got a pentium 90 I occasionally turn on and I'll reply again when I do here. Hosting stuff from it is wildly taxing. It's on my internal network and I proxy it through apache over a raspberry pi. But it does genuinely serve content to the proxy - which does not cache it. The machine runs netbsd with apache and has 128MB of memory and, as a cheat I'll admit, uses a SD/IDE bridge device to go to an ATA/100 interfa…

it's worth noting, this is a public machine. You can log into it and even make your own account

It's wild to see what's actually slow that's imperceptible now and what claims to be intel 586 32-bit compatible which actually no longer is.

Re: Website hosted on a 24 year old Linux server

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Post by [deleted] »

andoma wrote: post #91
jcalvinowens wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It can be much simpler if you're willing to write a couple lines of assembler: use an 8-byte file that contains one 64-bit counter, mmap() it, mlock() it, and use atomic CPU instructions to increment and read it.

Genuine question: Does it have to be mlocked for this to work?

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Re: Website hosted on a 24 year old Linux server

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Post by serialport »

userbinator wrote: post #110
goodpoint wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I immediately close the browser tab every time I see the cloudflare spinner. Very few websites are worth supporting the massive MITM that is cloudflare.

I just see "Enable JavaScript and cookies to continue" and leave. You're not running arbitrary code on my machine without earning my trust first.

Unfortunately due to a huge volume of spam and bot attacks, we have to turn on maximum Cloudflare settings. Otherwise the server simply can't stay online with the current interest level.

Re: Website hosted on a 24 year old Linux server

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Post by serialport »

jarebear6expepj wrote: post #46

When the '24 year old Linux server' is asking me to solve captchas for cloudflare...

Yeah its a shame and wasn't our intended way to get this out to the world.. unfortunately in modern times, botnets and script kiddies had other plans and this server was on the receiving end of a lot of crap after the last Youtube video where we announced it being online.

Re: Website hosted on a 24 year old Linux server

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Post by serialport »

amrb wrote: post #23

This is a great video covering the story on the company, who build this server and an early example of using Linux for web hosting! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ6AvtV3Ya4

Thanks for mentioning, that is our video and this raq talked about here is one we restored :)

Re: Website hosted on a 24 year old Linux server

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Post by randomdata »

SoftTalker wrote: post #84
ElectricalUnion wrote: post #13

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> All you need to store this kind of data is a simple file. You mostly likely need a WAL Mode SQLite database. Most of the time, it's way simpler that handling state handling in concurrent situations yourself. (also, bindings are often available - if not outright bundled by default - under most common languages) The "easy" way is all fun and games until your file is accessed in a concurrent fashion, and then your opt…

> b) just write blindly to file and pretend concurrecy doesn't exist This is likely what was done. Nobody really cares if a hit counter on a web page loses a few updates.

As I remember it, you would flock the file. You didn’t care if another process blocked for the short period it was held. It is not like you were getting huge amounts of traffic.

Re: Website hosted on a 24 year old Linux server

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Post by johnklos » 

  Icon for raq.serialport.orgraq.serialport.org
  Checking if the site connection is secure
  raq.serialport.org needs to review the security of your connection before proceeding.
  Why am I seeing this page?
Cloudflare's bullshit strikes again!

Here's a real server, hosting without a caching proxy, that's 30 years old:

http://elsie.zia.io/

Re: Website hosted on a 24 year old Linux server

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Post by lostlogin »

xwdv wrote: post #26
sillysaurusx wrote: post #5

I remember how magical and mysterious a view counter used to feel when I was a kid. How did the website know when someone visited it? Where was the count stored? And how on earth could a website update its own HTML to show the new count? Geocities days were magical. I wonder if kids today have similar thoughts about Twitter profiles and such. It’s probably much easier to pick up the knowledge — back then, it was balk…

Young kids today do not have any kind of thoughts about the workings of apps they use any more than they have thoughts about how their favorite shows or movies are made, or how their house was built, or how a car works.

This is a very HN take on ‘kids these day’ complaints which seem to go back as far as human records do.

https://www.reddit.com/r/history/comments/7btv14/the_more_th...

Re: Website hosted on a 24 year old Linux server

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Post by doublepg23 »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #59
doublepg23 wrote: post #54

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> Were you not shunned as a nerd for having an interest in how computers worked? I certainly wasn’t in the 10s. Usually people would come to me and my nerd buddies for PC building advice, smartphone advice, and of course the occasional “can you pirate this for me” request ;)

Tech had long since gone mainstream by that point though as the barrier of admission was lowered significantly, it was no longer the hobby of nerds.

I would still say the people in Linux club were _nerds_ but the platonic ideal of “nerd” had shifted from what it was in the 80s/90s.
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