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What Harvard Owes Its Top Asian-American Applicants: Stephen Hsu

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Re: What Harvard Owes Its Top Asian-American Applicants: Stephen Hsu

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Post by tnuc »

The admission process to Harvard sounds very much like a scene out of Gulliver's travels.

-- The ceremony is performed in his majesty's great chamber of state, where the candidates are to undergo a trial of dexterity, very different from the former, and such as 1 have not observed the least resemblance of in any other country of the new or old world. The emperor holds a stick in his hands, both ends parallel to the horizon, while the candidates advancing, one by one, sometimes leap over the stick, sometimes creep under it, backward and forward, several times, according as the stick is advanced or depressed. Sometimes the emperor holds one end of the stick, and his first minister the other; sometimes the minister has it entirely to himself. Whoever performs his part with most agility, and holds out the longest in leaping and" creeping, is rewarded with the blue-coloured silk; the red is given to the next, and the green to the third, which they all wear girt twice round about the middle; and you see few great persons about this court who arc not adorned with one of these girdles.

Re: What Harvard Owes Its Top Asian-American Applicants: Stephen Hsu

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Post by stoolpigeon »

yosho wrote: post #7

I've read too many stereotypical comments today on this topic that I'm just going to unload my thoughts. If you want to argue that racial diversity is important for your 'elite' universities, that's fine. I can't argue with that since it's really a matter of opinion. However, if you argue that Asians as a group do not have leadership qualities, diverse extracurriculars, or do anything besides study, you're really jus…

It all comes down to whether or not schools should manage the racial make-up of their students. The administrations of the schools obviously want them to do so. The Obama administration has made it clear that they want the schools to do so. I'm not sure how there can even be an investigation.

Trying to discuss the merits of any race is completely missing the point. The only question that matters is, "Should schools be able to enforce diversity in their selection process?"

Re: What Harvard Owes Its Top Asian-American Applicants: Stephen Hsu

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Post by bilbo0s »

cdutch wrote: post #21

I think it's interesting that the article is about the difference between the Asian avg. (1457) and the white avg. (1416), a difference of 41 points, and no one addresses the difference between the white student avg. and the black student avg (1275), a difference of 141 points.

That's because ... frankly ... neither the black or the white guy belong there. Who cares about the differences between them.

The more information I find on this issue...the more I find myself agreeing with the Asians. Asians play basketball and football, and involve themselves in social projects. If you have differences like that between Asians and everyone else...it's legitimate to ask why are ... say ... non Jewish whites, or blacks, or hispanics getting into elite Universities at all?

Re: What Harvard Owes Its Top Asian-American Applicants: Stephen Hsu

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Post by bilbo0s »

jsnk wrote: post #12
wickedchicken wrote: post #8

The author is failing to take into account the distribution of the applicants themselves. Discrimination can be interpreted many ways. In this scenario I prefer to word it as 'if you are in this class, you will have less of a chance to be accepted.' Thanks to Bayes' rule, we know that we can't ignore a priori probabilities - they are the only way to get a true probability without 'confidence intervals' and other junk…

Whenever someone underplays the systematic racial bias top universities have against Asian students, imagine the reverse scenario. If the table turns and suddenly some other racial groups, be it aboriginals, blacks, hispanics etc, are targeted with the same racial bias, would these people still doubt that there is racial bias citing reasons like this?

I tend to agree. Given the number of Asians applying to these universities, you have to wonder how non Jewish whites, blacks, and Latinos are gaining admission to these schools at all? There HAS to be something going on to give them a leg up.

Re: What Harvard Owes Its Top Asian-American Applicants: Stephen Hsu

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Post by ThaddeusQuay2 »

"Surely this is exactly the opposite of what Martin Luther King wanted when he asked us to judge people not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

Putting aside the ridiculousness of that statement, given that it came from a black guy who had sex with White girls just because he saw them as trophies, the real reason an asian is likely to be rejected from Harvard is exactly due to their character. In general, asians don't donate. Harvard has to care about such secondary issues, which don't make it into the news. If Hsu really cared to know the truth, he would analyze the racial makeup of the graduates who donate to Harvard. I don't have those numbers, but my best guess is that Whites rank as the highest financial contributors, and that they do so, by far.

Related: http://biggovernment.com/cjohnson/2012/02/01/did-top-liberal... (Did Top Liberal Arts College Falsify SAT Data to Legitimize Racial Preferences?)(2012-FEB-01)

Re: What Harvard Owes Its Top Asian-American Applicants: Stephen Hsu

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Post by reader5000 »

Hsu seems to maintain a blog on IQ supremacy generally and specifically the iq supremacy of asians. Why is this guy getting mainstream attention?

I mean jesus he broke down the grade distribution of one of his undergraduate classes by race just to demonstrate the superiority of recent Chinese immigrants, lest anybody suspect they are slackers for not getting into a top Chinese university (and having to go to the University of Oregon instead, lol): http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2011/12/human-capital-globaliza...

I'm sure the undergrads paying money to take that class appreciate being guinea pigs in their professor's racial supremacy experiments.

Re: What Harvard Owes Its Top Asian-American Applicants: Stephen Hsu

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Post by anamax »

chegra84 wrote: post #30

It's not the universities that are racial bias because Asians are overrepresented at Ivy League school. The real question should be why is the SAT so racially bias?

> The real question should be why is the SAT so racially bias?

How is it racially biased? How are you defining an unbiased test?

Re: What Harvard Owes Its Top Asian-American Applicants: Stephen Hsu

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Post by liquidityprov »

yosho wrote: post #7

I've read too many stereotypical comments today on this topic that I'm just going to unload my thoughts. If you want to argue that racial diversity is important for your 'elite' universities, that's fine. I can't argue with that since it's really a matter of opinion. However, if you argue that Asians as a group do not have leadership qualities, diverse extracurriculars, or do anything besides study, you're really jus…

How'd you do so well on the English section?

Re: What Harvard Owes Its Top Asian-American Applicants: Stephen Hsu

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Post by wickedchicken »

jsnk wrote: post #12
wickedchicken wrote: post #8

The author is failing to take into account the distribution of the applicants themselves. Discrimination can be interpreted many ways. In this scenario I prefer to word it as 'if you are in this class, you will have less of a chance to be accepted.' Thanks to Bayes' rule, we know that we can't ignore a priori probabilities - they are the only way to get a true probability without 'confidence intervals' and other junk…

Whenever someone underplays the systematic racial bias top universities have against Asian students, imagine the reverse scenario. If the table turns and suddenly some other racial groups, be it aboriginals, blacks, hispanics etc, are targeted with the same racial bias, would these people still doubt that there is racial bias citing reasons like this?

For your situation to exist, those groups would have to have dramatically higher SAT scores and a societal status to have the leisure of many extracurriculars.

Which is the exact fucking thing we're trying to achieve.

I'm not trying to say that there isn't discrimination going on, just that a more reliable indicator would be comparing the ratios inside top universities versus the real world. I don't have those numbers, but trying to play games with test scores can too easily be done incorrectly.

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