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California public school enrollment sees big drops

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Re: California public school enrollment sees big drops

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I wonder if this has to do with changes to curricula.

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You might be mixing up your Germans with your Irish, were absolutely subject to discrimination when they first moved here. This discrimination was fundamental to the development of Irish American enclaves in many cities, including especially NY and Chicago.

German immigrants were subject to some, but significantly less discrimination owing to their shared Protestant backgrounds with the majority English Protestant descendants comprising of the American upper class.

But more to the point: almost no German Americans were imprisoned during WWII despite many of them providing intelligence to the Nazis. OTOH, nearly every Japanese American on the West Coast was incarcerated in Manzanar and their property and businesses confiscated.

Re: California public school enrollment sees big drops

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As a none-american, can I ask: Are public schools in the USA bad? Like, I have such a negative view of them as underfunded, understaffed, filled with overworked & burned out staff. just somewhere that education goes to die, really. Is that view accurate? Or do I just have that view due to media bias(The bias being that there's no news story: 'Random School is well run, more at 11')?

The public schools in the nicer American neighborhoods run leaps and bounds ahead of public schools in comparable neighborhoods in other countries.

In nicer neighborhoods, the local high school is frequently comparable to a small college, with the academic (and athletic) facilities and staff to match.

Re: California public school enrollment sees big drops

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As a none-american, can I ask: Are public schools in the USA bad? Like, I have such a negative view of them as underfunded, understaffed, filled with overworked & burned out staff. just somewhere that education goes to die, really. Is that view accurate? Or do I just have that view due to media bias(The bias being that there's no news story: 'Random School is well run, more at 11')?

The public schools in the nicer American neighborhoods run leaps and bounds ahead of public schools in comparable neighborhoods in other countries. In nicer neighborhoods, the local high school is frequently comparable to a small college, with the academic (and athletic) facilities and staff to match.

Like this Indiana High School that went viral for how stately it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaqI6y_B0Os

Re: California public school enrollment sees big drops

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post #16

I wonder if this has to do with changes to curricula.

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> socialize them to understand their ethnic identity in terms of American slavery.

This is historical context for why these groups are still face discrimination today. Someone who's racist has no idea if you're a recent immigrant from Nigeria, you will face the exact same discrimination as a descendant of slaves. This is the public education equivalent of "the talk" parents have to have with their kids for why they're treated differently.

One of my good friends is a second generation immigrant from Thailand and in white suburbia in the 80s her mom was told to go back to China. Even people totally disconnected from the historical acts of discrimination are affected by it.

The "standard" US history curriculum is comically bad, come over on my Mayflower, have Thanksgiving with the Indians, Taxation Without Representation, Tea Party, The Federalist Papers, The Constitution, slavery, The underground railroad, Lincoln's emancipation proclamation, civil war for two seconds, jim crow, then MLK solved racism, paper shuffling, the end, Murica!

Re: California public school enrollment sees big drops

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> socialize them to understand their ethnic identity in terms of American slavery. This is historical context for why these groups are still face discrimination today. Someone who's racist has no idea if you're a recent immigrant from Nigeria, you will face the exact same discrimination as a descendant of slaves. This is the public education equivalent of "the talk" parents have to have with their kids for why they'r…

In practice it seems many racists actually do discriminate based at least partially on national origin. I have overhead multiple US small business owners state that they like to hire recent immigrants from Nigeria (and other African countries) instead of the native-born descendants of slaves due to a perceived difference in employee work ethic and attitude.

To be clear I don't support discrimination and I abhor all forms of racism. I'm just pointing out that different groups may have wildly different experiences with discrimination despite looking somewhat similar.

Re: California public school enrollment sees big drops

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from chapter 1 of the book you linked: > At its core, the field of ethnic studies is the interdisciplinary study of race, ethnicity, and Indigeneity, with an emphasis on the experiences of people of color in the United States. People or person of color is a term used primarily in the United States and is meant to be inclusive among non-white groups > Furthermore, considering that European American-centered history an…

> firstly, why the concentration on discrimination? Ask that to the people who put together the model ethnic studies curriculum! If you look at the sample lessons for Asians, almost all are about discrimination, exclusion, etc. > ethnic studies covers much more than that... In theory, yes, in practice, no. You can’t realistically expect white Americans to teach Indian or Chinese kids about their own cultures and expe…

> about when states banned the teaching of German. Teach Italian and Irish kids about anti-Catholic school legislation.

This is done in the Midwest all the time (Know-Nothing party, etc in US history)

Re: California public school enrollment sees big drops

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super location dependent. There are many reasons, from the absurd to the cruel (CA for example doesn't allow property taxes/council rates to track market value, largely because of campaigning in the 70s after the Supreme Court said CA had to fund schools in poor neighborhoods to the same extent as those in rich neighborhoods). I'm from NZ, so my US partner's Oakland, CA high school experience was horrifying: * They h…

I’ve never heard of toilet stalls without doors in schools. The really flimsy walls high above the floors, sure, but no doors? That sounds like a massive open door for bullying

The high school was really leaning into "school is a prison" :-/

Re: California public school enrollment sees big drops

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> socialize them to understand their ethnic identity in terms of American slavery. This is historical context for why these groups are still face discrimination today. Someone who's racist has no idea if you're a recent immigrant from Nigeria, you will face the exact same discrimination as a descendant of slaves. This is the public education equivalent of "the talk" parents have to have with their kids for why they'r…

> This is historical context for why these groups are still face discrimination today. Someone who's racist has no idea if you're a recent immigrant from Nigeria, you will face the exact same discrimination as a descendant of slaves.

They may face prejudice, but they don’t face what academics today would call systemic or structural racism. To use your example, Nigerian immigrants have such high income mobility they reach parity with similarly educated whites by the second generation. Indeed, studies show that virtually all immigrant groups enjoy higher income mobility than native born Americans.

> This is the public education equivalent of "the talk" parents have to have with their kids for why they're treated differently.

What “talk?” My parents never said anything about racism, even though I grew up in an almost completely white Virginia town in the 1990s. And I’m grateful for it, because I never had any reason to expect to be treated differently. It would be wildly inappropriate for a teacher, 80% of whom are white, to try and address how a minority kid should relate to living in a white majority society.

> One of my good friends is a second generation immigrant from Thailand and in white suburbia in the 80s her mom was told to go back to China. Even people totally disconnected from the historical acts of discrimination are affected by it.

And? Did that keep your friend from getting into school? Getting jobs? Etc? Prejudice between different groups is nearly universal. I was born in Thailand, but my family is from Bangladesh. If I had continued to live there I can guarantee you I’d have more than a few stories. The other day I was in an elevator with some Arabs, and one muttered “Bangladeshi” to the other. I don’t speak Arabic but I guarantee you he wasn’t saying anything nice!

As an Asian, your friend is more likely to make more money and live longer, and less likely to get shot by the police or incarcerated than the average white person. Comments like that are unpleasant and rude, but have nothing to do with historically rooted structural racism.

Re: California public school enrollment sees big drops

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As a none-american, can I ask: Are public schools in the USA bad? Like, I have such a negative view of them as underfunded, understaffed, filled with overworked & burned out staff. just somewhere that education goes to die, really. Is that view accurate? Or do I just have that view due to media bias(The bias being that there's no news story: 'Random School is well run, more at 11')?

You have a full spectrum from the very worst to the very best and no consistency from zip code to zip code.

School finding is primary via property taxes, so rich districts get good schools and poor ones struggle.

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