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Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by ruph123 »

ChemSpider wrote: post #251
submeta wrote: post #154

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Get a German car. Privacy is taken extremely seriously here in Germany. In all walks of life. Companies, schools, doctor‘s offices, etc. Edit: I wouldn’t want to touch a Tesla even if it was gifted to me. Seeing the founder behave the way he does (latest incident: Changing Twitter’s logo to a shitcoins image) makes him extremely unsympathetic to me.

So you would rather buy a car from one of the "Dieselgate" companies? > Privacy is taken extremely seriously here in Germany. Yes, to the point nothing can get done anymore and e. g. having an outdated, non-digitalized healthcare system. Tesla is doing it wrong. But Germany is also doing it wrong - just on the other extreme.

> Yes, to the point nothing can get done anymore and e. g. having an outdated, non-digitalized healthcare system.

The system may be slow and not very digital but it is very much not outdated. As someone who has seen a friend go through a terminal illness and has researched quite a lot about cancer treatments, the care you can get in Germany is top notch. And all that for free (except for hospital bed that you have to pay sometimes if you stay longer than a set amount. Which is about 11EUR if I remember correctly). Yes things can be improved and privacy can be a hurdle but it is not quite a bleak as HN commenters make it out to be. I would take it over having everything beging top notch digital without any regards for privacy like it is in the US. (and often very poor or non-existent non-digital solutions)

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Post by Phlarp »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #262
Phlarp wrote: post #259

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But can your Ford Fusion play Doom or The Witcher 3 on the media unit? Thought so.

Won't someone think of the children? A whole generation of high schoolers deprived of the ability to steal their daddy's luxury sedan and bang their girlfriend in the front seat without the car narcing on them.

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Post by ynx »

HWR_14 wrote: post #73
wnevets wrote: post #38

This is absolutely disgusting to hear. Can you imagine if Apple or Google employees were caught doing something like this with photos/videos taken with their products?

Absolutely. Just like Amazon, Facebook, Uber, NSA and other employees have done so as well. The only reason Apple or Google employees might not do that is encryption and decent access controls, not because they are better people. It would not shock me in the least if a Google or Apple employee did something similar. It might shock me a little just because of the risk/reward if they were just snooping on random people…

Facebook has had access auditing tools for at least 15 years at this point, and it only got stricter with time. It was already a fireable offence back then, too, to improperly access someone's data without a business justification.

From what I heard they did indeed have some LOVEINT problems before that i.e. an employee couple with a nasty breakup - but they were also orders of magnitude smaller.

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Post by zaroth »

kinghajj wrote: post #221
rootusrootus wrote: post #130

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At the moment, AP still uses steering wheel torque. Just put a piece of tape over the interior camera. I'd be pretty surprised if any of the cameras routinely stream. Too much of a bandwidth hog.

The most recent FSD beta update from a few days ago finally started using the interior camera to track driver attentiveness, according to the release notes.

It’s been using the internal camera on FSD beta for alertness tracking and phone usage detection for quite some time.

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Post by bumby »

jacquesm wrote: post #173
abdullahkhalids wrote: post #44

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I was at a hackathon once, and they had a startup fair, where various companies had their booths. One startup had created a student-management system for schools. And the rep was demoing the system. Except with live data. Showing pages of real students with their pictures, home addresses, etc! So, principles aside, the actions of companies are such that there can be no trust.

I've seen something very similar with medical data.

I've also seen the pendulum swing in the opposite direction. There was a demo for hospital software that was obviously using fake data. It was something like "Patient Name: Mickey Mouse SSN:123456789"

An overzealous IT security manager literally covered the demo with his body until it was taken down. All under the pretense that "You never know, that could be someone's real information."

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Post by raldi »

varun_chopra wrote: post #32

Reminds me of the time I bought lunch at work, and a colleague told me exactly what I bought and how much I paid for it. I called him out and said it was a lucky guess, and then he proceeded to tell me my entire payment history for the past 2 days. Turns out when I was buying lunch, he was on the phone with a friend who worked at Paytm and that guy gave away my transaction history for shits and giggles. My trust in p…

My awakening was the multiple times I've been talking with a startup and said, "I was surprised there's no self-guided demo or video tour available on your website; can you show me how the product works?" and had them reply something like, "Oh, sure. The reason we don't have a demo yet is that we haven't gotten around to making fake data, but let me pull up one of our customers' accounts and give you a tour using their data. Try not to read anything."

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Post by opportune »

SoftTalker wrote: post #255
varun_chopra wrote: post #32

Reminds me of the time I bought lunch at work, and a colleague told me exactly what I bought and how much I paid for it. I called him out and said it was a lucky guess, and then he proceeded to tell me my entire payment history for the past 2 days. Turns out when I was buying lunch, he was on the phone with a friend who worked at Paytm and that guy gave away my transaction history for shits and giggles. My trust in p…

What you must understand is that this is human nature not "private companies." When I was in high school I had a friend who worked at one of those 1-hr photo processing places. People would bring their film in to have prints made. And there were no small numbers of "intimate" photos on those rolls of film. Yes even in the days of film cameras, people took photos of themselves in sexual situations. Of course my friend…

Right, so the problem is still private companies not putting in the effort to build in privacy to prevent this.

For physical film it’s hard, but for software you should at the very least record access to personal data and audit it to make sure people actually need it and aren’t abusing whatever permissions they are using to get the data.

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Post by Phlarp »

recursive wrote: post #270
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I don't own a Tesla, and I'm not an apologist. But there are multiple reasons to own the car. And not all of them have to do with saving the planet, cameras, or the glovebox.

"Actually the rolling spy box is a good thing for reasons I'm not able to articulate, but please trust I am very smart."

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Post by LightBug1 »

hgsgm wrote: post #245
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Eberhard sued Musk challenging his right to call himself a founder and the case resolved such that Musk gets to keep calling himself a founder. Musk was a major source of funding early on, putting in about 6 million out of a 7 million dollar raise, served as chairman of the board, headed product design for the Roadster, and took over as CEO before they launched the Roadster. Tesla publicly acknowledges him as a found…

Yes, Musk bought the Founder title from Eberhard. In some countries, "moral rights" ban the practice of buying and selling the right to change facts like authorship.

"buying and selling the right to change facts like authorship"...

That line made me shiver with disgust... good for those countries.

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Post by zaroth »

peripitea wrote: post #257

This has been the number one thing stopping me from getting a Tesla. I can't believe how little privacy concerns have come up with them. Until I can have fine-grained control of what data gets sent to the mothership, or opt out entirely, I can't see myself buying one.

You know you can just touch a toggle on the UI to turn on/off data sharing?

You can opt-out entirely too, but you won’t get software updates.

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