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Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by leoqa »

lazide wrote: post #137
varun_chopra wrote: post #32

Reminds me of the time I bought lunch at work, and a colleague told me exactly what I bought and how much I paid for it. I called him out and said it was a lucky guess, and then he proceeded to tell me my entire payment history for the past 2 days. Turns out when I was buying lunch, he was on the phone with a friend who worked at Paytm and that guy gave away my transaction history for shits and giggles. My trust in p…

Frankly, everyone is a risk to some extent, which is why it’s handy to just not give someone things that can be a problem if exposed. What they don’t know/don’t have, can’t be used against you. But someone with minimal direct criminal/financial risks of exposing something is definitely higher risk than others, and that is most startups. That said Amazon reps have clearly been bought out before, and individuals within…

At a fertility clinic they had paperwork that asked my employer, social security number etc. I asked if this was necessary, as I was paying out of pocket. They firmly said yes and asked me to fill it out.

Guess who works for $State Fertility Group, with a social 111-11-1111 and makes 100M/year.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by barbazoo »

submeta wrote: post #154
lnsru wrote: post #67

Wanted to get Model Y in the past. Nice comfy car, huge backseat and… a camera filming inside the car. Thanks no. Apparently for drowsiness detection, but I am not buying it. Time of flight camera staring at the driver’s face is kinda normal in car industry. Not a normal color camera filming everything and streaming somewhere like Tesla does.

Get a German car. Privacy is taken extremely seriously here in Germany. In all walks of life. Companies, schools, doctor‘s offices, etc. Edit: I wouldn’t want to touch a Tesla even if it was gifted to me. Seeing the founder behave the way he does (latest incident: Changing Twitter’s logo to a shitcoins image) makes him extremely unsympathetic to me.

Is that true for cars made for markets that are not Germany? It's not that German car makers are inherently more ethical so I'd assume they do whatever they can get away with in whatever jurisdictions they sell their cars.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by jacquesm »

abdullahkhalids wrote: post #44
varun_chopra wrote: post #32

Reminds me of the time I bought lunch at work, and a colleague told me exactly what I bought and how much I paid for it. I called him out and said it was a lucky guess, and then he proceeded to tell me my entire payment history for the past 2 days. Turns out when I was buying lunch, he was on the phone with a friend who worked at Paytm and that guy gave away my transaction history for shits and giggles. My trust in p…

I was at a hackathon once, and they had a startup fair, where various companies had their booths. One startup had created a student-management system for schools. And the rep was demoing the system. Except with live data. Showing pages of real students with their pictures, home addresses, etc! So, principles aside, the actions of companies are such that there can be no trust.

I've seen something very similar with medical data.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by jacquesm »

throwway120385 wrote: post #136
photon12 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you build robust privacy guidance mechanisms into the fabric of your startup from the beginning, your ability to handle risk management around these types of cases can be resourced to scale with the customer expectations of the system you build. Unfortunately, if you do that, you are going to be outcompeted by the teams that are working to get their first 10,000 paying customers by any means necessary, because pri…

Sounds like it should be illegal to share data by default, and that individuals shouldn't be able to sign away their expectation of privacy as part of a EULA.

That's called the GDPR. Positive, coercion free, explicit and non-tied consent is a hard requirement. See article 7: https://gdpr-info.eu/art-7-gdpr/

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Post by wcunning »

rationalist wrote: post #106
jjulius wrote: post #93

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>So it has the capability to connect? No thanks. All well and good for you, and I don't fault you for making that decision for yourself. OP's stated requirement was... >not an always-connected surveillance device ... which without opting into the service, the Leaf is not. Happy to have OP clarify for themselves, though.

> always-connected I'm betting the car always connects, it's just whether or not you enable any benefits of the connection. Anyone with actual knowledge about cars with such devices willing to chime in? Edit: consider how the car knows whether or not you're paying for any service.

Work in the industry -- the reason you have to pay is that the companies do not contract with Verizon/ATT/Tmo to have always on connection unless you eat the cost. This is changing going forward due to the value of always on system monitoring (DTCs, oil change interval etc) to say you didn't do your part and the warranty is void, but that's not on stuff from the last 10 years and won't ever be. Also, current things don't benefit past the warranty period, which is why you have to pay beyond that point if you want e.g. remote start. This will change in the next couple of years with OTA updates and whatnot, but that's only now on Mercedes/BMW/etc and only just getting onto Ford/GM/Stellantis/etc.

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Post by hef19898 »

morkalork wrote: post #45

Yikes. So turning private images into memes and posting them internally isn't a fireable offence but union talk is? Such impeccable standards for conduct.

Amazon terminates you just for looking up someones order history beyond the need-to-kmow basis to solve a certain CS ticket. And rightly so.

Well, Amazon doesn't like unions neither.

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Post by rootusrootus »

jbaber wrote: post #34
GavinMcG wrote: post #24

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This is a horrifying view of the world even on its face, but also: even if we anticipate that people might do the wrong thing, it is still wrong and it is still appropriate to condemn that wrong and call for justice.

Is the OP saying Tesla shouldn't be condemned? When a friend's car gets stolen, I reserve the right to condemn the thief and tut-tut at her for leaving the doors unlocked.

> When a friend's car gets stolen, I reserve the right to condemn the thief and tut-tut at her for leaving the doors unlocked.

That's a jerk move. And a terrible analogy. Using the car as intended and having the manufacturer use the cameras for something other than their intended use is not the same thing at all as failing to use the locks for their intended purpose.

Might as well tut-tut at you for using the Internet the next time one of your devices gets compromised.

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Post by rolenthedeep »

a4isms wrote: post #169
abdullahkhalids wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was at a hackathon once, and they had a startup fair, where various companies had their booths. One startup had created a student-management system for schools. And the rep was demoing the system. Except with live data. Showing pages of real students with their pictures, home addresses, etc! So, principles aside, the actions of companies are such that there can be no trust.

I once had a classified ad software hustle, and I needed customer data to debug things. But one of my customers was Canada's largest gay newspaper, and ts classifieds were highly sensitive. So I wrote a routine that obfuscated the database, changing all phone numbers to 555-xxxx, changing all names to random names of fruit (So a customer might become Banana Grapes, 416-555-1234), and a few other changes to hide other…

I can't decide if replacing names from a gay newspaper with fruit is offensive or hilarious
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