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Re: Mariadb.com is dead, long live MariaDB.org

#41

I wonder if some distro repos will stop installing mariadb instead of mysql whenever you try to install mysql. Always struck me as a weird thing to do since mysql never stopped development. (MariaDB.org seems to be still active, but there is now much more uncertainty (imo) compared to the mysql project)

At a glance, it seems like the open source MariaDB is just fine. It's the commercial company that is dead/dying. This may affect future development on the OSS side, but for now it seems like there's no immediate danger. As for why it's included over MySQL, it's undoubtedly the fact that MySQL has been owned by Oracle since 2010. Oracle has not been the most friendly to OSS communities in the past.

You were probably talking only about the OSS side of that particular RDBMS, but I believe that effect on OSS in general might actually be even more interesting: taking a few years of salaries from investors and then pack up when tensions over postponing profitability reach uncomfortable levels? At some point capital will start refusing to play that game.

This is supposed to be about "racism, sexism" and stuff like that, but I don't necessarily see any contradiction. Because it's not unheard of that in troubled companies, questionable people rise to or stay in power that would not stand a chance in a more healthy environment where better candidates don't run away. Selection for the kind of person who'd rather be captain on a sinking wreck than some lower officer on a well run boat and I'd be surprised if there wasn't considerable correlation between those and the scandal that's supposedly the root cause here.

Re: Mariadb.com is dead, long live MariaDB.org

#44
A lot of fear, uncertainty, and doubt here. Of course the banks backing out along with the founder is a bad sign. However, quoting "they may expire worthless" from an SEC filing and citing that as "evidence" is weak; SEC filings are full of what-if scenarios. From where I sit, $4.8 million in cash is plenty of runway for 100 people, even if it is a bit stiff for California. I'm not saying it won't shut down, but some of the specific arguments about why its demise is coming didn't land with me.

Re: Mariadb.com is dead, long live MariaDB.org

#45

I guess i don't fully understand the distinction. So the company is going down, but the open source org is still alive. Did the company do most of the development? If they did was that development available to people using it 'for free'? Why was there a company in the first place, you'd think it would be hard to make money betting on a single open source database. My only interaction with MariaDB was picking it from…

Does the original creator have a third kid to name the next fork after?

You mean 4? The second kid's name was used for MaxDB, which is used in the SAP world. :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Widenius

Re: Mariadb.com is dead, long live MariaDB.org

#47

>This is yet another case of American corporatism failing the open source world. I believe that simply "This is yet another case of American corporatism failing", full stop. It's a loophole in the system. It's a good thing that MariaDB is open source, so that a failure like this can't bring the product down.

Could you be more specific about how American corporatism is failing open source in this case? MariaDB PLC is not profitable and most investors give it low chances of getting there. It's currently trading at 25% of the IPO price which was already 40% below the initial opening. [0, 1] (I hope I'm reading the numbers correctly.)

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34070451

[1] https://finance.yahoo.com/news/mariadb-announces-first-quart...

Re: Mariadb.com is dead, long live MariaDB.org

#48

This Michael Howard guy sounds like a greate dude... What did he do before joining and crashing mariadb?

His LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-howard-2b7b273/

He joined MariaDB 7 years ago, in 2015. Before then he hasC9 (A SaaS company), Greenplum, EMC, 10 jobs in total. In the late 90s he lists 4 years as "VP of data warehousing and integration technologies" at Oracle.

Re: Mariadb.com is dead, long live MariaDB.org

#49

A lot of fear, uncertainty, and doubt here. Of course the banks backing out along with the founder is a bad sign. However, quoting "they may expire worthless" from an SEC filing and citing that as "evidence" is weak; SEC filings are full of what-if scenarios. From where I sit, $4.8 million in cash is plenty of runway for 100 people, even if it is a bit stiff for California. I'm not saying it won't shut down, but some…

>From where I sit, $4.8 million in cash is plenty of runway for 100 people

LinkedIn shows ~350 employees with about half of them in the US. $4.8 million is far from plenty to pay 300+ employees...not counting lawyers.

Re: Mariadb.com is dead, long live MariaDB.org

#50

A lot of fear, uncertainty, and doubt here. Of course the banks backing out along with the founder is a bad sign. However, quoting "they may expire worthless" from an SEC filing and citing that as "evidence" is weak; SEC filings are full of what-if scenarios. From where I sit, $4.8 million in cash is plenty of runway for 100 people, even if it is a bit stiff for California. I'm not saying it won't shut down, but some…

> From where I sit, $4.8 million in cash is plenty of runway for 100 people,

4.800.000 / 100 = $48,000 per person. For one year.

Not counting all other business expenses like servers. Laptops. Slack. Zoom.

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