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Re: False memories can form within seconds, study finds

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This pretty much defeats the strategy of writing a diary to make sure I don't get tangled up in false memories. It can still mitigate some of it, of course, but I still find it a bit unnerving that even my short term memory is prone to making stuff up. Before, I had always imagined that this phenomenon was strictly related to the retrieval process of long term memories, and could therefore be avoided by writing thing…

It's useful to see what your mental state was when you wrote it. At least, when I've gone back to things I wrote in the past I was shocked at how self-absorbed I sounded.

I resolved to try and not live in my own world so much... After I shredded my old diary entries.

Re: False memories can form within seconds, study finds

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This pretty much defeats the strategy of writing a diary to make sure I don't get tangled up in false memories. It can still mitigate some of it, of course, but I still find it a bit unnerving that even my short term memory is prone to making stuff up. Before, I had always imagined that this phenomenon was strictly related to the retrieval process of long term memories, and could therefore be avoided by writing thing…

> This pretty much defeats the strategy of writing a diary to make sure I don't get tangled up in false memories.

I would be extremely cautious drawing that conclusion just on the basis of this study. They were experimenting with recalling letters. Further research needs to be done to see what kinds of memories are affected by this and how. I still think writing a diary is important and valuable, it's just maybe not an infallible perfect record. It's certainly 100000% better than whatever phantom you now retain as a memory of an event 20 years later.

For me, it implies that we need to be aware of our biases and how they can affect how we interpret and remember an event. So instead of not writing a diary at all, I'd suggest continuing to write a diary and when writing also reflecting on your possible preconceptions/biases.

> Of course, this is only one study, involving a piece of knowledge that’s strongly reinforced throughout our lives (letters). So Otten and her team hope to keep testing the fallibility of short-term memory in other ways.

> Do the expectations that we have about people based on, for example, their gender, almost immediately start shaping what we remember about, say, their voice or facial expression? Or do I after only a few seconds start slightly misremembering certain data-representations, because it does not fit my beliefs about, say, climate change?” she said. “This is obviously a bit more complicated to explore than just asking people to look at a display of 6 letterlike items, but I look forward to exploring this further.”

I don't understand why people take one study and then use that as absolute truth about a general thing even though that single study only studied a tiny part of it.

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Hmmm, I believe I have first-hand experience with this. Often as I go about my day, I get sudden flashes of a scene recalled. It feels visceral and real - how I imagine electrodes stimulating the brain might bring forth feelings and memories. They're usually just scenes, with a strong feeling attached.

These "memories" aren't recalled from my life, often it would be impossible for them to be, and yet they feel like mine.

I imagine there's some medical explanation for this, but I've no desire to approach a doctor with such symptoms!

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Hmmm, I believe I have first-hand experience with this. Often as I go about my day, I get sudden flashes of a scene recalled. It feels visceral and real - how I imagine electrodes stimulating the brain might bring forth feelings and memories. They're usually just scenes, with a strong feeling attached. These "memories" aren't recalled from my life, often it would be impossible for them to be, and yet they feel like m…

Are you talking about déjà vu?

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post #15

Hmmm, I believe I have first-hand experience with this. Often as I go about my day, I get sudden flashes of a scene recalled. It feels visceral and real - how I imagine electrodes stimulating the brain might bring forth feelings and memories. They're usually just scenes, with a strong feeling attached. These "memories" aren't recalled from my life, often it would be impossible for them to be, and yet they feel like m…

Are you talking about déjà vu?

My understanding of déjà vu is that it applies to the moment you're in aka "it feels like this has happened before". What I'm referring to is a sudden recollection of a moment, which isn't the current one. But the feeling is quite similar to déjà vu, just paired with imagery. I'm struck with a strong image in my mind, and a feeling that "that has happened before".

Re: False memories can form within seconds, study finds

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Generating what they believe to have occurred” sounds like another way of saying “false memory”. What am I missing?

I'm not a neurologist but...I think it's a three (or more) step process. The basic version: - Store it. - Sitting in storage - Recall it. With each subject to imperfections. For example, recall doesn't find something in storage so it "fills in the blanks". The mind is not a machine. It's got plenty of quirks.

No clearer. Are you saying that when recall “fills in the blanks” that’s not false memories? What can “false memories” possibly mean if not that?

Re: False memories can form within seconds, study finds

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post #7

IMO the test subjects are not recalling false memories; they are generating what they believe to have occurred and this is different. The event is non-meaningful so the brain doesn’t record/file every detail about the experience; this of course would be different per individual. Shocking the individual or tying an emotional response to the event may make it meaningful but probably won’t translate to the brain on its…

> IMO the test subjects are not recalling false memories; they are generating what they believe to have occurred and this is different.

From the paper:

“To rule out that these errors reflect a perceptual error that has directly been encoded into STM, we test whether illusory responses increase over time: If the illusions are simply the result of misperceptions, their frequency of occurrence should remain the same over the time-course of STM—since in all cases initial perceptual inference has been completed. Therefore, if the number of reported illusions increases as the retention interval increases, this is best explained by memory-related processes taking place during the retention interval, so during STM storage itself, and not in the perceptual or encoding process.”

So, it seems their memories are right more often just after seeing the stimulus than a short time later (100ms or 1s, if I scanned the paper correctly).

My guess would be that the unconscious brain discards uninteresting data very quickly even if the conscious brain attends to that data.

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post #4

This pretty much defeats the strategy of writing a diary to make sure I don't get tangled up in false memories. It can still mitigate some of it, of course, but I still find it a bit unnerving that even my short term memory is prone to making stuff up. Before, I had always imagined that this phenomenon was strictly related to the retrieval process of long term memories, and could therefore be avoided by writing thing…

A few things that might help to reassure you: * No doubt you are still making a great improvement compared to simply relying on your memory. * Although the experimental result is framed in terms of "false memories", I interpret it as "seeing what your brain expected to see". This is nothing new! * It is worth recording your perceptions even if they're clouded by your expectations and preconceptions. You're recording…

I thought of another benefit since writing this post, and it's too late to edit.

* The act of sitting down and writing out thoughts, feelings or memories is a mindful, peaceful and fulfilling experience that cannot easily be replaced. Simply putting words on a page (digitally or physically) often causes me to instinctively take a broader perspective.

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