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I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients

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Re: I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients

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Post by pharmakom »

noobermin wrote: post #177
Turskarama wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Programmers, engineers, accountants, lawyers, doctors, nurses, builders, farmers, manufacturers, drivers (including pilots and ships captains), and scientists all need to be very precise in their work and mistakes will cause deaths (I have almost certainly forgotten some). This may not be the majority of workers by number, but these are the jobs civilization is _built_ on, they are the jobs that need to keep going no…

I would put cooks into that too, allergic reactions can kill, badly cooked food can kill, and in fact people can be penalized for it too.

Ture but does it matter if the chicken is cooked for 10 minutes, 10 minutes 5 seconds, 10 minutes 10 seconds,... programming requires far more precision.

Re: I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients

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Post by Shorel »

gilbetron wrote: post #24

Being a scifi geek and AI geek and neuroscience geek for pretty much the past 40 years, I've read countless predictions and scenarios and stories about society's response as "true" AI begins to emerge. So watching it play out for real is creating this bizarre sense of deja vu combined with fascination and frustration and also some anxiety. This article and the comments in this thread are right up that alley. I mean,…

It makes predictions based on incomplete and or biased information. Just as doctors do.

The funny thing is not that we are holding AI to a high standard.

The funny thing is that we normally do not do the same for doctors, marketers, politicians, etc.

Re: I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients

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Post by namaria »

civilized wrote: post #37
gilbetron wrote: post #24

Being a scifi geek and AI geek and neuroscience geek for pretty much the past 40 years, I've read countless predictions and scenarios and stories about society's response as "true" AI begins to emerge. So watching it play out for real is creating this bizarre sense of deja vu combined with fascination and frustration and also some anxiety. This article and the comments in this thread are right up that alley. I mean,…

What I didn't predict is so many AI boosters being so miffed at regular folks pointing out the obvious: a half-working system may be tremendously exciting to AI enthusiasts, but it's not that useful to society. Recently we've had all these people complaining of moving goalposts, when in fact most people never had goalposts for AI in the first place, and certainly never had goalposts that remotely resembled those that…

People pushing the curve get to the middle of the sigmoid and want to believe it's gonna be all vertical now. People observing from the outside heavily discount the hype because they know limits will be reached soon. It happens every time.

Re: I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients

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Post by Turskarama »

pharmakom wrote: post #191
noobermin wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would put cooks into that too, allergic reactions can kill, badly cooked food can kill, and in fact people can be penalized for it too.

Ture but does it matter if the chicken is cooked for 10 minutes, 10 minutes 5 seconds, 10 minutes 10 seconds,... programming requires far more precision.

It does matter if you put some peanut in when the customer is allergic to peanuts.

Re: I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients

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Post by jug »

As always my first question in these articles is… Was it ChatGPT 3.5 or 4?

It’s an interesting article with the real world examples that are hard to come by this early, but it’s also two entirely different ChatGPT’s here. They can’t even compare in this context. 3.5 still has glaring LLM-like issues and is useless in a professional context like this, but at least they begin to fade away in 4.

So can we please stop calling it simply ChatGPT?

Re: I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients

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Post by DangitBobby »

singularity2001 wrote: post #173
dreamcompiler wrote: post #171

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A half-working system is cute and useful when it recommends a pizza place you might like. But the same system is a menace to society when you tell it to drive a car or prescribe a drug to treat an illness or decide a person's prison sentence or protect a perimeter with lethal force. It's absolutely amazing that so many AI scientists don't seem to understand this distinction.

A half working system is good enough for real life tasks when combined and used by and in conjunction with attentive half working human collaborators.

What does it mean to be attentive and half working?

Re: I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients

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Post by iudqnolq »

marcosdumay wrote: post #166
gerdesj wrote: post #90

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"I'm not really sure what he expected here, ChatGPT ..." Doctoring is quite similar to ITing if you are careful with your similes. In medicals you look for indications and contraindications. In IT you look for magic beans and sometimes look at logfiles. I have no idea why we (IT) don't follow the medical way and have indications and contras (I do). They have been doing complicated diagnostics way longer than we have.…

> I have no idea why we (IT) don't follow the medical way and have indications and contras (I do). Because we have logs. Ignoring them and focusing on the symptoms would be like doctors refusing to do examinations on their patients.

Doctors separate their sources of information into signs (objectively observed) and symptoms (subjectively reported). Both signs and symptoms can be indication or contradictions.

Tangentially I wonder if there's sources of diagnostic info in tech that are closer to symptoms than signs. You might separate out potentially unreliable info reported by the suspect system from more objective info other systems see.

Re: I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients

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Post by hansihe »

nyokodo wrote: post #94
thrill wrote: post #88

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GPT-4 passed the medical exam, not ChatGPT running GPT-3. There's a rather significant difference.

> GPT-4 passed the medical exam, not ChatGPT running GPT-3 With a subscription you can use GPT-4 with ChatGPT. ChatGPT is just the wrapper to the model.

That's not true, ChatGPT is a model. Quote from the ChatGPT announcement post: > ChatGPT is a sibling model to InstructGPT, which is trained to follow an instruction in a prompt and provide a detailed response.

Re: I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients

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Post by tidenly »

DangitBobby wrote: post #196
singularity2001 wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A half working system is good enough for real life tasks when combined and used by and in conjunction with attentive half working human collaborators.

What does it mean to be attentive and half working?

Have you never corrected your phones autocorrect before? That's what they're referring to.

Re: I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients

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Post by never_inline »

Genbox wrote: post #116
gilbetron wrote: post #24

Being a scifi geek and AI geek and neuroscience geek for pretty much the past 40 years, I've read countless predictions and scenarios and stories about society's response as "true" AI begins to emerge. So watching it play out for real is creating this bizarre sense of deja vu combined with fascination and frustration and also some anxiety. This article and the comments in this thread are right up that alley. I mean,…

I've noticed a very weird trend when trying to incorporate GPT4 into my workflow. I lead a small team of developers and security consultants, and whenever someone runs into a problem, it is immediately searched for on the web. However, there is a real resistance/reluctance in using GPT for the same task. I think it is a combination of factors. The wrong answers are part of it, but I think another part is the anthropo…

> The wrong answers are part of it

for me its wrong answers and long winded english sentences with low information density.

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