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Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Post by herbst » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 7:06 AM UTC

type0 wrote: post #290

cpursley wrote: post #277

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Agree! I just ordered a custom made guitar ("NK headless guitars" on aliexpress for those who are interested). While's there's a bit of a language barrier, there's no way I could get close to the level of customer support and quality for the price ($500). You can't even start a conversation with a US/EU company for less than $2000k USD for a custom guitar build. This Chinese company started off cloning a well known b…

> I just don't get the anti-China hate. Is it racism? There are plenty of reasons for anti-China sentiments, some don't like to deal with China because of animal rights abuses, others because of mistreatments of the Uyghurs, what the CCP did to Hong Kong etc. I would rather buy the same item when it says Made in Vietnam/India/Thailand over the one that's made in China, and that's not because of bad craftsmanship or r…

I never see people hating on Switzerland even thought it's effectively legal to eats cats and dogs in some places (and horses for my us readers) and its beeing done. One meal even named 'meow meow'

Yet I never hear people cancel Switzerland for animal right abuse

Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Post by RedCondor » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 7:06 AM UTC

HyperSane wrote: post #309

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the reality distortion is pretty astonishing. This is clearly retaliation for the American policy of containment. The US for several years has now openly made it its goal to try to strangle Chinese technological development, most importantly in the chips sector. It's actually surprising how little response up until now came out of China. In the world overall nobody actually perceives this as China overplaying its han…

People have been predicting that the US dollar will stop being the dominant global currency for a VERY long time. What are your thoughts on China's treatment of the Uighurs?

"Uyghur Genocide" is as fake as Saddam's WMDs and Gaddafi's "viagra gangs."

https://redsails.org/the-xinjiang-atrocity-propaganda-blitz/

Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Post by SergeAx » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 7:11 AM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #230

In a way this is good news. The more China overplays its hand in this undeclared economic war the more likely that Western countries will realize that they are making the exact same mistake with China that they have made with Russia. You can't play nice with dictatorships in the hope that your long term economic interests will be aligned to the point that the other party will be forced to continue to play nice. China…

Do you even understand that this is the US who started this trade war?

Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Post by herbst » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 7:11 AM UTC

HyperSane wrote: post #328

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Morally I think the treatment of the Uighurs is pretty awful, geopolitically it's irrelevant. Made obvious by the indifference to it even in the Islamic world. And if you think American behavior is determined by the plight of the Uighurs rather than anxiety over losing its hegeomnic position, I have a bridge to sell you. And yes people have prematurely talked about the end of the dollar mostly for ideological reasons…

Are you aware of just how strong the US dollar is right now?

It depends on how you look at it. But I am getting less and less CHF for the dollars I am earning and this is going on since Trump.

From my POV dollar is losing value nearly the same rate as the euro.

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Post by Herval_freire » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 7:13 AM UTC

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Obviously you haven't lived in a dictatorship. Spend a few years in Russia or China or Turkey or Iran and then come back with your hypothesis about the raw truth.

I lived in both the US as a citizen and china as well.

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Post by pvarangot » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 7:13 AM UTC

nobodyandproud wrote: post #330

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>We’re much closer than we were 20 years After the collapse of the Soviet Union settled, it has been the most peaceful time in human history (at least for semi-developed nations). A moderate amount of hostility is to be expected as China has approached superpower status. This is still no where near Cold War levels. >Nobody believed Russia would actually invade Ukraine This was always a possibility after Crimea. Peopl…

I imagine Taiwan would be ground down by a war of attrition and isolation. They are not self-sufficient: https://ap.fftc.org.tw/article/2570 Isolation practice: https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2023-03-08/taiwan...

If China wants the semiconductor factories producing magic 5nm chips they can't bomb much of the country or fuck with the middle class that much by making the country shitty. Of course if they just want to destroy Apple and NVIDIA and make consumer electronics unaffordable for a generation they can just get the fucking island by raining rockets on it for a week but that would be insanity.

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Post by herbst » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 7:14 AM UTC

kleene_op wrote: post #459

herbst wrote: post #448

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Do we want America as a world leader? Enforcing their dated moral views on us trough controlling money flow and social media? We do have accept violence but no nudity in our media when our society is the exact opposite? Yes that's whatabouttism but the world actually does suffer from the current state as well

I'm not sure I want America to be the world leader. But I am definitely sure I don't want it to be China.

But that's not what it is about.

China doesn't seem to try to enforce global policies (right now) nether do they claim the moral right for OUR society.

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Post by hutzlibu » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 7:14 AM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #230

In a way this is good news. The more China overplays its hand in this undeclared economic war the more likely that Western countries will realize that they are making the exact same mistake with China that they have made with Russia. You can't play nice with dictatorships in the hope that your long term economic interests will be aligned to the point that the other party will be forced to continue to play nice. China…

"Just for a moment consider what it would mean if China arbitrarily stopped exporting consumer electronics or any other category of product and what the effect on the West would be."

The economy of the west would be devastated, but so would very likely be the economy of china itself. It sounds a bit to me like the concept of nuclear war, mutual assured destruction, so no one does it.

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Post by senttoschool » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 7:14 AM UTC

SkyMarshal wrote: post #460

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The reason why the US doesn't like China is because the US dislikes the idea of being the #2 economy and losing control. The US has absolutely no "morals" so to say and is allied with/provides literal military support to about 70% of dictatorships[1]. The US simply acts out of national interests, not morals. History proves this. I'm baffled by how many Americans repeat state propaganda points. [1] https://truthout.or…

> The reason why the US doesn't like China is because the US dislikes the idea of being the #2 economy and losing control. This comment gets thrown around a lot but oversimplifies things. First, in the 90s, 2000s, and some of the 2010s ‘the US’ was China’s biggest cheerleader, investor, and supporter. Most US elites knew China would eventually become a bigger economy due to their 4x larger population, and were ok wit…

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Post by SergeAx » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 7:15 AM UTC

borissk wrote: post #441

throwaway4good wrote: post #438

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The US wants China to retaliate tit for tat. But China hasn't from the Huawei bans to the latest semiconductor blockade and I don't think they will do it here. What China appears to be doing is to double down on investment in sanctioned sectors while keeping trade open. And I think they continue this strategy.

They may continue until they are ready to invade Taiwan. And then the US and the rest of the West will have some very hard choices to make - harder than the choices Germany had to make over the Ukraine invasion.

This choice would be even harder, given that the US and the rest of the West are not recognizing Taiwan as an independent state. FWIW, Kosovo seems like a totally legit state compared to Taiwan.