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China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Post by snehk »

jacquesm wrote: post #230

In a way this is good news. The more China overplays its hand in this undeclared economic war the more likely that Western countries will realize that they are making the exact same mistake with China that they have made with Russia. You can't play nice with dictatorships in the hope that your long term economic interests will be aligned to the point that the other party will be forced to continue to play nice. China…

The reason why the US doesn't like China is because the US dislikes the idea of being the #2 economy and losing control. The US has absolutely no "morals" so to say and is allied with/provides literal military support to about 70% of dictatorships[1]. The US simply acts out of national interests, not morals. History proves this. I'm baffled by how many Americans repeat state propaganda points.

[1] https://truthout.org/articles/us-provides-military-assistanc...

Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Post by augment001 »

htag wrote: post #385
augment001 wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So true. Even the CCP wasn’t so clearly problematic until Xi.

The CCP has been clearly problematic since Mao.

It seemed to be getting better between Deng Xiaoping and Hu Jintao. Obviously not great, but it took a much darker turn with Xi.

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Post by senttoschool »

snehk wrote: post #401
jacquesm wrote: post #230

In a way this is good news. The more China overplays its hand in this undeclared economic war the more likely that Western countries will realize that they are making the exact same mistake with China that they have made with Russia. You can't play nice with dictatorships in the hope that your long term economic interests will be aligned to the point that the other party will be forced to continue to play nice. China…

The reason why the US doesn't like China is because the US dislikes the idea of being the #2 economy and losing control. The US has absolutely no "morals" so to say and is allied with/provides literal military support to about 70% of dictatorships[1]. The US simply acts out of national interests, not morals. History proves this. I'm baffled by how many Americans repeat state propaganda points. [1] https://truthout.or…

I've been trying to preach this on HN for months. The American propaganda is blindingly strong.

The US will work with one-party countries as long as they're not a threat economically. How else do you think that Americans cheer when factories get moved to Vietnam, which is significantly worse in human rights?

Both of these things can't be true at the same time:

1. The US is concerned for Chinese citizens economically because there is only one government party in China.

2. The US thinks that CCP's policies are too effective economically that it might overtake the US as the #1 economy.

The US and China have the same amount of morals. It's basic human instincts. What's at stake here is purely socioeconomics.

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Post by throwawaymaths »

senttoschool wrote: post #404
snehk wrote: post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason why the US doesn't like China is because the US dislikes the idea of being the #2 economy and losing control. The US has absolutely no "morals" so to say and is allied with/provides literal military support to about 70% of dictatorships[1]. The US simply acts out of national interests, not morals. History proves this. I'm baffled by how many Americans repeat state propaganda points. [1] https://truthout.or…

I've been trying to preach this on HN for months. The American propaganda is blindingly strong. The US will work with one-party countries as long as they're not a threat economically. How else do you think that Americans cheer when factories get moved to Vietnam, which is significantly worse in human rights? Both of these things can't be true at the same time: 1. The US is concerned for Chinese citizens economically…

What are you even talking about. China is regularly rated lower than Vietnam on human rights rankings and Vietnam is trending towards improvement. China is trending towards regression.

https://www.rfa.org/english/news/vietnam/vietnams-human-righ...

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Post by HeavenFox »

senttoschool wrote: post #404
snehk wrote: post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason why the US doesn't like China is because the US dislikes the idea of being the #2 economy and losing control. The US has absolutely no "morals" so to say and is allied with/provides literal military support to about 70% of dictatorships[1]. The US simply acts out of national interests, not morals. History proves this. I'm baffled by how many Americans repeat state propaganda points. [1] https://truthout.or…

I've been trying to preach this on HN for months. The American propaganda is blindingly strong. The US will work with one-party countries as long as they're not a threat economically. How else do you think that Americans cheer when factories get moved to Vietnam, which is significantly worse in human rights? Both of these things can't be true at the same time: 1. The US is concerned for Chinese citizens economically…

To be fair, the theory that economic development leads to political liberalization isn't entirely fiction. Taiwan and South Korea both used to be de facto dictatorships.

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Post by oneshtein »

throwA29B wrote: post #378
dougmwne wrote: post #128

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From what I understand, it is an affront to their regime. It’s an island of free, prosperous and democratic Chinese people. It’s a repudiation of everything the CCP stands for. In a very real sense, Taiwan is not a separate country, but a unconquered territory from the Civil War, the last bastion of the pre-1949 Republic of China, and a symbol of what could have been for all of China. Sure there are geopolitical reas…

Ugh... I read the same about Ukraine being a beacon of freedom, democracy, and prosperity and Putin being extremely mad because Russia has none of that, and Russians would be pointing fingers and asking questions... Which is utter rubbish. I suggest you to educate yourself on the topic.

Russian Federation tries to roll back rename of (Kievan) Russia to Ukraine. Actual history of Russian Federation/USSR/Russian Empire/Moscow Tsardom is well guarded secret, so lot of heads are bumping against the wall trying to understand how Russia (now Ukraine) turned into Russian Federation (contains no Russia).

Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Post by throwawaymaths »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #339
sinoue wrote: post #293

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Democracies aren’t beholden to the ego of an authoritarian. Free trade for free countries, and a tyrant tax for authoritarian regimes should be the norm if we want human centered capitalism. https://freedomhouse.org/explore-the-map?type=fiw&year=2023

Free Trade for Free Countries is a decent slogan! I’ve long been disappointed that this isn’t the mainstream position. Anything else feels very hypocritical (for the US).

Eh, economic engagement with unfree countries got us south korea, Taiwan, probably more in eastern Europe: Albania comes to mind. Afaict disengagement only worked with south Africa.

Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Post by senttoschool »

throwawaymaths wrote: post #405
senttoschool wrote: post #404

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been trying to preach this on HN for months. The American propaganda is blindingly strong. The US will work with one-party countries as long as they're not a threat economically. How else do you think that Americans cheer when factories get moved to Vietnam, which is significantly worse in human rights? Both of these things can't be true at the same time: 1. The US is concerned for Chinese citizens economically…

What are you even talking about. China is regularly rated lower than Vietnam on human rights rankings and Vietnam is trending towards improvement. China is trending towards regression. https://www.rfa.org/english/news/vietnam/vietnams-human-righ...

Lived in China and Vietnam. There is no comparison. I don't care if Vietnam allows their citizens to use Facebook.

Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Post by ngcc_hk »

jacquesm wrote: post #230

In a way this is good news. The more China overplays its hand in this undeclared economic war the more likely that Western countries will realize that they are making the exact same mistake with China that they have made with Russia. You can't play nice with dictatorships in the hope that your long term economic interests will be aligned to the point that the other party will be forced to continue to play nice. China…

Totalitarian country should not be rewarded and supply chain should have at least a total ban option. Look at Russia and look at Taiwan, not to mention Hong Kong.
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