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I think I’m not alone that Mastodon is giving me the ick

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Re: I think I’m not alone that Mastodon is giving me the ick

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I disagree. It's entirely possible to have discussions of value between people of differing beliefs without offense, certainly without purposely seeking to offend. That and the "influence" culture it creates is a large part of what people fled to Mastodon to avoid. You don't have a right to come into someone else's space and insist on telling them they're wrong about their beliefs or identity or whatever you take iss…

What is the point of the internet if not to tell people they are wrong? But more seriously, you don't have to have the intention to offend to run afoul of overly restrictive policies. Even worse this can create an atmosphere of fear that stifles discussion. Self censorship is the most insidious form of censorship.

>But more seriously, you don't have to have the intention to offend to run afoul of overly restrictive policies

I don't have the intention to offend because I don't find value in offending people. Most of the people I follow on Mastodon are game developers, programmers or nerds of some sort. A lot of those people are also gay or trans or furries or any number of easily targeted demographics. I don't refuse to respect their pronouns or try to debunk their gender identity or whatever out of fear of the system but because I'm not homophobic or transphobic. Because I don't seek conflict wherever I go.

>Even worse this can create an atmosphere of fear that stifles discussion.

It doesn't though, there's plenty of discussion on Mastodon as far as I can tell. No one seems to be fearful about it. Not wanting to have the conversations you want to have isn't the same as being afraid to have them.

>Self censorship is the most insidious form of censorship.

Self censorship is maturity, it's potty-training and big-boy pants for the mind. Your assumption that the only reason anyone would have to exercise restraint and self control being fear is inaccurate. The most effective arguments I've come across counter to my own beliefs have been presented with an implicit respect for me as a person, civility and reason. People who go out of their way to insult me or twist my words in bad faith because they're chasing endorphins rather than ideas aren't liable to convince anyone of anything.

And yes, you have to follow the rules of the house. That's not oppression, that's society. If you don't like it, feel free to spin up your own Mastodon with blackjack and hookers, like Trump did.

Re: I think I’m not alone that Mastodon is giving me the ick

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The simplest way of describing mastodon is: its irrelevant. Almost nothing in it mimicks that total twitter coverage of some big event, no matter your nieche. And even though twitter now isnt like Twitter before, its still much much more alive than mastodon. The only nieches that are active on mastodon are tech people and some governments and absolutely nothing else. No sports, no news, heck even tech is smaller, and…

> The only nieches that are active on mastodon are tech people

By this argument, Hacker News is irrelevant.

Re: I think I’m not alone that Mastodon is giving me the ick

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I was on Twitter since the '00s, gained a few tens of thousands of followers, lost interest over the years, only post about work, and with Musk acquiring Twitter, never read anything on it anymore. I did briefly get back into it in a big way prior to the acquisition, interacting with people properly for the first time in about a decade.

However, post-acquisition, I just don't give a fuck anymore. That's the only way I can put it. Since I stopped doom-scrolling Twitter, my mental health is that much better for it, and doom-scrolling was one of the worst things I did during the pandemic and the war beginning.

I don't even care to check out Mastodon. I think all these echo chambers are negative. I don't even really go on any kind of social media anymore.

I don't miss it.

Re: I think I’m not alone that Mastodon is giving me the ick

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post #52

The simplest way of describing mastodon is: its irrelevant. Almost nothing in it mimicks that total twitter coverage of some big event, no matter your nieche. And even though twitter now isnt like Twitter before, its still much much more alive than mastodon. The only nieches that are active on mastodon are tech people and some governments and absolutely nothing else. No sports, no news, heck even tech is smaller, and…

> The only nieches that are active on mastodon are tech people By this argument, Hacker News is irrelevant.

The difference is hacker news actually speaks about stuff outside of tech.

Re: I think I’m not alone that Mastodon is giving me the ick

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post #52

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> The only nieches that are active on mastodon are tech people By this argument, Hacker News is irrelevant.

The difference is hacker news actually speaks about stuff outside of tech.

I'm extremely skeptical of anyone who claims they can say what's happening on all of Mastodon, especially since it's a distributed network.

Re: I think I’m not alone that Mastodon is giving me the ick

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post #56

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The difference is hacker news actually speaks about stuff outside of tech.

I'm extremely skeptical of anyone who claims they can say what's happening on all of Mastodon, especially since it's a distributed network.

Thats actually a part of the problem, search and discoverablility is so crap on purpose, its impossible to find anything or anyone!

Re: I think I’m not alone that Mastodon is giving me the ick

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The simplest way of describing mastodon is: its irrelevant. Almost nothing in it mimicks that total twitter coverage of some big event, no matter your nieche. And even though twitter now isnt like Twitter before, its still much much more alive than mastodon. The only nieches that are active on mastodon are tech people and some governments and absolutely nothing else. No sports, no news, heck even tech is smaller, and…

> The only nieches that are active on mastodon are tech people and some governments

You're forgetting furries and kink-adjacent folks.

Re: I think I’m not alone that Mastodon is giving me the ick

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> It feels like "Nazi" has become a just an empty, generic stand-in for "really bad". Well... yes. Language evolves and terms generalize over time as the context in which they're used gains distance from their original meaning. No one is accusing Elon Musk of being a member of the German National Socialist Workers' Party.

> Language evolves and terms generalize over time as the context in which they're used gains distance from their original meaning. Yes, but I'm old enough to remember being told that we should "never forget" the Holocaust. Perhaps people are already forgetting though. I think it's a mistake, indeed a moral error, to trivialize this word. > No one is accusing Elon Musk of being a member of the German National Socialis…

Some people have already forgotten, but many others do remember the holocaust, and are quite alarmed by recent developments. As Mike Godwin said: it's okay to call them Nazis if they do behave like that.

It had become a meaningless word back when Godwin coined his law, but not anymore. There really is a strong push towards some form of fascism, in the US, in Russia, and in many places in Europe. It's important to call it out and to fight it.

Re: I think I’m not alone that Mastodon is giving me the ick

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post #58

The simplest way of describing mastodon is: its irrelevant. Almost nothing in it mimicks that total twitter coverage of some big event, no matter your nieche. And even though twitter now isnt like Twitter before, its still much much more alive than mastodon. The only nieches that are active on mastodon are tech people and some governments and absolutely nothing else. No sports, no news, heck even tech is smaller, and…

> The only nieches that are active on mastodon are tech people and some governments You're forgetting furries and kink-adjacent folks.

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