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China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Post by cpursley »

type0 wrote: post #290
cpursley wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree! I just ordered a custom made guitar ("NK headless guitars" on aliexpress for those who are interested). While's there's a bit of a language barrier, there's no way I could get close to the level of customer support and quality for the price ($500). You can't even start a conversation with a US/EU company for less than $2000k USD for a custom guitar build. This Chinese company started off cloning a well known b…

> I just don't get the anti-China hate. Is it racism? There are plenty of reasons for anti-China sentiments, some don't like to deal with China because of animal rights abuses, others because of mistreatments of the Uyghurs, what the CCP did to Hong Kong etc. I would rather buy the same item when it says Made in Vietnam/India/Thailand over the one that's made in China, and that's not because of bad craftsmanship or r…

Isn't Vietnam openly (C|c)ommunist and Thailand authoritarian?

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Post by 8note »

nobodyandproud wrote: post #146
nonethewiser wrote: post #145

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Where are we exactly? Your prediction has not been proven correct. Even as much as things are escalating, war does not appear imminent nor certain.

> Where are we exactly? Your prediction has not been proven correct. Even as much as things are escalating, war does not appear imminent nor certain. We’re much closer than we were 20 years ago. Nobody believed Russia would actually invade Ukraine; nor that Xi would be foolish enough to scare away Taiwan by muscling in on Hong Kong. Unless the CCP forces Xi out, their hardliners and the middle-kingdom mindset have al…

Warfare with China is pretty inevitable while the US and its allies aims for containment and control over china's access to the Pacific ocean and shipping lanes.

China has a strategic need for ocean access, regardless of who is in charge, and everyone else is looking for a military confrontation on that.

If china controlled the whole US east coast's access to the Atlantic ocean, and the US needed Chinese permission to go to sea, the US would have attacked already

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Post by type0 »

thrashh wrote: post #233
nobodyandproud wrote: post #223

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> Are you suggesting someone should have pre-emptively invaded Russia after Crimea, thus instead of worrying about a possible full-blown invasion, get it out of the way and just guarantee one? That’s quite a leap of logic there. I think it’s enough to recognize that many believed a full invasion wasn’t in the cards. > Because as far as I know, the right people expected something to happen — there is just the issue of…

What are you talking about? Do you not remember this whole thing? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_missile_defense_... Or the talk about nations joining NATO? Or the discussion about how because we expect Russia to do something, we actually are not sure about NATO anymore because we don't want to be obligated to enter in a war ? Here's an 2021 article about US pressure on Germany to stop the import of more…

Too bad EIS got canceled. Keep in mind that Putins revenge for this was to crash Polish President plane the following year.

Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Post by arroz »

halJordan wrote: post #144
agentultra wrote: post #139

Aren't the materials to make rare-earth magnets... not actually that rare? It's only rare in the sense of their dispersal in the earth's crust, this making it a rather dirty and ecologically disruptive activity sourcing them. The US could theoretically start producing rare-earth metals, couldn't they?

Yes, but it trivializes the issue. You might ask why colonies needed to import finished goods from the motherland when they had all this wood and iron available.

This is not the same thing

Colonies many times weren’t even allowed to produce manufactured goods

There might be some learning curve but the extraction of rare earth materials should be well documented, it used to be done in the US

I don’t know about the manufacturing of goods from the extracted elements though.

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Post by verdverm »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #177
verdverm wrote: post #170

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Given it has been so long and they are now so different, why is reunification even necessary at this point? (Other than the CCP wants to control Taiwan based on historical lines) Why is the CCP so intent on controlling the land of another country? Most people practically consider Taiwan independent, even if the "agreements" around it say something else. They have their own government, flag, military, trade agreements…

> Why is the CCP so intent on controlling the land of another country? The way you frame the question already suggests that you're not interested in why China (not just the CCP - this is a broad sentiment inside China) sees things the way it does. Taiwan is not seen as "another country" in China. It's seen as a Chinese province that is temporarily separated from China due to the civil war. This was also the view of s…

Russia does not see Ukraine as a separate country, yet everyone else does. North & South Korea are still at war, yet they are separate countries. Why should Mainland and Taiwan be any different in the long run?

While Taiwan may have historically claimed that it should control the mainland, I don't hear this from them now. I'm sure they would be more than happy to sign an agreement with mainland that recognized them as an officially separate country with no claims to mainland.

Why can the CCP not just let Taiwan be? Why can they not be an officially separate country? What would be so bad about that?

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Post by fspeech »

klodolph wrote: post #237
jacquesm wrote: post #230

In a way this is good news. The more China overplays its hand in this undeclared economic war the more likely that Western countries will realize that they are making the exact same mistake with China that they have made with Russia. You can't play nice with dictatorships in the hope that your long term economic interests will be aligned to the point that the other party will be forced to continue to play nice. China…

I am less convinced that China is really good at playing the long game, and more convinced that China is subject to many of the same political struggles that we see in the US. It’s just so easy to tap into our fears of China that we want to believe that they’re this smart and ruthless. We look for evidence to validate our feelings. There are deposits of these rare earth minerals elsewhere. There are always more depos…

"In the draft, manufacturing technologies for high-performance magnets using such rare earth elements as neodymium and samarium cobalt were added to the export ban."

It didn't mention restriction on export of mineral or magnets themselves. Pretty sure US would restrict similar technology export to China.

BTW I don't think China ever exported such manufacturing technology. Formalization is likely due to the desire to show some ability to retaliate against western SME export ban.

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Post by Barrin92 »

jacquesm wrote: post #230

In a way this is good news. The more China overplays its hand in this undeclared economic war the more likely that Western countries will realize that they are making the exact same mistake with China that they have made with Russia. You can't play nice with dictatorships in the hope that your long term economic interests will be aligned to the point that the other party will be forced to continue to play nice. China…

the reality distortion is pretty astonishing. This is clearly retaliation for the American policy of containment. The US for several years has now openly made it its goal to try to strangle Chinese technological development, most importantly in the chips sector. It's actually surprising how little response up until now came out of China.

In the world overall nobody actually perceives this as China overplaying its hand, but as a consequence of the US weaponizing trade, and the result all over the world economy will be a shift away from the US with the exception of its core military allies. The shift is already obvious in the Middle East and Africa. France(!) just settled an LNG trade with China in Yuan for the first time[1].

The American behavior is bad for everyone. The US will lose its pretty comfortable position in global trade due to the prominence of the dollar, everyone else is simply hurt by the economic fallout of trade wars.

[1]https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/china-completes-first-yuan-s...

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Post by Animats »

klodolph wrote: post #237
jacquesm wrote: post #230

In a way this is good news. The more China overplays its hand in this undeclared economic war the more likely that Western countries will realize that they are making the exact same mistake with China that they have made with Russia. You can't play nice with dictatorships in the hope that your long term economic interests will be aligned to the point that the other party will be forced to continue to play nice. China…

I am less convinced that China is really good at playing the long game, and more convinced that China is subject to many of the same political struggles that we see in the US. It’s just so easy to tap into our fears of China that we want to believe that they’re this smart and ruthless. We look for evidence to validate our feelings. There are deposits of these rare earth minerals elsewhere. There are always more depos…

> I am less convinced that China is really good at playing the long game, and more convinced that China is subject to many of the same political struggles that we see in the US.

It's more the classic leader-for-life problem. China's problem right now is Xi Jinping. He's been in power too long. He changed the rules to give himself a third term, as Putin did. He's centralized power around himself. He's created a cult of personality around himself. His decisions are much worse than they used to be. A decade ago he was seen as doing a good job. Not any more.

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Post by HyperSane »

Barrin92 wrote: post #307
jacquesm wrote: post #230

In a way this is good news. The more China overplays its hand in this undeclared economic war the more likely that Western countries will realize that they are making the exact same mistake with China that they have made with Russia. You can't play nice with dictatorships in the hope that your long term economic interests will be aligned to the point that the other party will be forced to continue to play nice. China…

the reality distortion is pretty astonishing. This is clearly retaliation for the American policy of containment. The US for several years has now openly made it its goal to try to strangle Chinese technological development, most importantly in the chips sector. It's actually surprising how little response up until now came out of China. In the world overall nobody actually perceives this as China overplaying its han…

People have been predicting that the US dollar will stop being the dominant global currency for a VERY long time.

What are your thoughts on China's treatment of the Uighurs?

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Post by fbdab103 »

cpursley wrote: post #277
varispeed wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people don't want to try and make things, so they are unaware how incredibly f we are. Like I have little project and needed an enclosure made to order. Nothing fancy. Tried three rather known Western vendors and none could manufacture it to an acceptable standard. It was also very expensive and customer service seemed annoyed that I even want to order anything. I lost a lot of money on this, simply because I di…

Agree! I just ordered a custom made guitar ("NK headless guitars" on aliexpress for those who are interested). While's there's a bit of a language barrier, there's no way I could get close to the level of customer support and quality for the price ($500). You can't even start a conversation with a US/EU company for less than $2000k USD for a custom guitar build. This Chinese company started off cloning a well known b…

Well, Strandburg probably has some thoughts on why they dislike China.
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